Looking For A Decent Cartridge And Rifle Combo In A Deer/elk Rifle






almost every hunting magazine I read growing up showed elk and mule deer standing in low grass out at distances between about 300-600 yards, and stories were mostly there to promote use of longer range cartridges like the 270 win, 30/06 and 7mm mag,
that even in the 1960s among my mentors was considered a joke!
most of them thought a 30/06 in a bolt action or a Remington pump was ideal, and when I started they all swore that a 180-220 grain round nose was the ideal ammo, most assured me that,
selecting a 30/06 , chambered rifle , was ideal, when correctly loaded with the correct bullet design, that
can and would be rather easily be both accurate and lethal with good & consistent shot placement
generally a 180 grain-200 grain bullet zeroed in to hit 3.5 inches high at 100 yards gets the job done very effectively,
yes there are options , different bullets and cartridges but the 30/06 properly loaded is a good option for most people,
yes there are usually marginally better options, just be aware that in most cases ranges between a hunter and his target is rarely over 250-300 yards, I will point out that the most DESIRED and used, two rifles that a significant number of the older more experienced hunters I had for mentors, are the Remington 7600 pump action, chambered in either 30/06 or 35 WHELAN, or the BROWNING BLR in either 30/06 or 358 Winchester but the most important factors in your success have and will always be ,
your physical conditioning and persistence, and your ability to accurately place your shots, rapidly while shooting from a field position
 
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watch the video and take detailed accurate notes
I have several favorite rifles if I expect the ranges might exceed 300 yards
for medium and reasonably long range small / medium game like coyotes and deer my BROWNING BLR in 257 Roberts
for larger deer and perhaps even elk my browning BAR in 338 mag
for longer ranges on ELK almost exclusively my weatherby fibermark stainless 340 mag rifle

if I'm hunting thicker wooded areas where ranges will all be under 250 yards or so,
my browning BLR in 358 win, or my REMINGTON 7600 in 35 whelan or my BROWNING BLR, 450 marlin
all are used on medium game

and I have a AR15 in 6.8 spc for close range on hogs and deer,
and a marlin 39A in 22lr for squirrles
 
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I watched the video above and agree that you don't "NEED" a magnum for most hunts,
a man with cartridges like a 270 win up to a 35 Whelan with proper loads and at reasonable ranges,
you do not need a magnum to hunt anything in north America, but I'd also point out that with frequent practice,
and with a recoil shoulder pad, many of the magnum cartridges recoil, is not in my experience, a significant factor,

in a skilled shooters shooting, and an experienced hunter will have few issues, a well practiced hunter, who understands,
his selected weapon will not have any issues with either a moderate non magnum or any common 25-338 magnum rifle
ID also point out that the combo of a magnum recoil pad, a properly load rifle with a sling and rifle muzzle brake

 
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after watching the video, ALMOST every REMINTON, rifle, made in the last 25 years ,
listed in the video lacks features,
and quality that most experienced hunters feel are valuable
 
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NOW JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE HAVING HUNTED MOSTLY RATHER THICKLY FORESTED AREAS WHERE EVEN SEEING ANY ELK PAST ABOUT 350 YARDS WAS ALMOST UNKNOWN SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU JUST NEVER GOT TO SEE ANYTHING PAST THAT DISTANCE (350 YARDS) AND HAVING SEEN A GREAT MANY ELK KILLED VERY DEAD AND VERY RAPIDLY INCAPACITATED, i WOULD SUGGEST A 300 MAG OR A 338 MAG AS ABOUT IDEAL, IF YOU CAN EASILY HANDLE THAT LEVEL OF RECOIL, IF YOU THINK YOULL NEED THAT LONGER RANGE AND FLAT TRAJECTORY POTENTIAL, BUT A 358 BROWNING BLR OR A BOLT GUN IN 35 WHELAN HAS BECOME THE TWO MOST HIGHLY DESIRED CARTRIDGES AMOUNG THE GUYS i HUNT WITH FOR DECADES, SIMPLY BECAUSE EITHER LOADED WITH A SPEER 250 GRAIN BULLET HAD DEPENDABLY DROPPED ELK OUT TO ABOUT 250-300 YARDS FOR DECADES, IF YOU SIGHT IN A BROWNING BLR AT 3.5" HIGH AT 100 YARDS ITS TRAJECTORY PLACES THAT BULLET AT ABOUT DEAD ON AT 200 YARDS AND ABOUT 11 INCHES LOW AT 300 YARDS, THE 35 WHELAN SHOOTS EVEN FLATER AND HITS HARDER,
NOW IF RECOIL IS A SERIOUS FACTOR YOU CONSIDER OBJECTIONABLE YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER A 270 WIN OR 280 REMINGINGTON CARTRIDGE, AS BOTH HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER RECOIL THAN A 340 WBY, 300 WIN MAG, 338 MAG, OR 35 WHELAN

CONSIDER THAT YOU ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO CARRY A RIFLE FOR SEVERAL DAYS WITHOUT GETTING A SHOT. AND IN MANY CASES ONE OR TWO SHOTS DROP YOUR ELK SO RECOIL IS REALLY NOT A BIG ISSUE FOR MANY GUYS AND MOST GUYS DO NOT SHOOT OFF HAND, MOST GUYS USE A BI-POD OR SHOOT USING A TREE LIMB OR THEIR BACK PACK AS A RIFLE REST
 
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For most large game rifles a 3.5" high zero , at 100 yards is a good place to start :like:
check your rifles trajectory against that 3.5" high at 100 yards and in most cases, you,
ll find it results in a 200-300 yard dead on zero, and being able to make lethal hits easily past those ranges once you gain skills
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to get the maximum point blank range from most rifles, used for hunting big game, its generally a good idea to sight the rifle in so it hits about 3.5" above the cross hairs at 100 yards so that the rifles curved trajectory with a center chest hold allows a decent hit out to longer ranges that sighting dead on at 100 yards will provide (I.ve generally found that 3.5" high at 100 yards is close to ideal)

example heres a ballistic calculator link

http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx
 

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you do not need a MAGNUM for deer, some of the most common cartridges work almost flawlessly in the hands of a good shot that fully understands the cartridges limitation, and a shooter that understands how to select the best projectile and limit taking shots to angles and ranges where he can reliably place his shots consistently

I have used over decades on many hunts, and the fact is that every one of those cartridges worked just fine,
when used at the ranges that they can be depended on with the correct projectiles.
the cartridges i posted in bold print worked very consistently

257 Roberts
25/06
6.5 Swedish Mauser
270 win
280 Remington
7mm Mauser
303 British
308 win
30/06 Springfield
338 mag
340 wby mag
358 win
35
whelan
44 mag
444 marlin
45/70
450 marlin

and a
375 h&h
458 win
 
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a great deal of your ability to consistently and effectively hit game, and do lethal damage to game,
is related to cost, of the gun and its ammo, that ammo availability , and your ability to hit accurately consistently, matters.
consistent practice, and in many cases frequent practice and, YOUR, proper use of a recoil pad and sling,
makes a great deal of practice and your ability to save cost's by reloading so you can shoot and practice with far more often.
here is a very short list of cartridges I consistently find very effective with the correct ammo.
the highlighted three, cartridges, I have used and found excellent for 6 decades while hunting deer and elk,
almost exclusively in rough rolling mountain country covered in aspen, conifer and oak brush, where shots ,or even game seen,
at over 300 yards were VERY RARE!
I WILL TAKE THE TIME TO POINT OUT SOMETHING most people will ignore!
almost all the mule deer and elk our group have harvested for 6 decades were shot at ranges under 160 yards, shots made at over 200 were and still are very rare simply because you can not often see game any further in the area we hunt.
for 6 decades every trip we made out to COLORADO,NORTHERN CALIFORNIA ,IDAHO, and WYOMING , to hunt elk and mule deer ,,one thing was almost without exception, something we did every year, we brought a BACK-UP or secondary rifle when we hunted so that if someone's scope fogged or their rifle became non-operable they would not be weaponless and they would have a dependable back-up in the truck that they could use, for the first 25-27 years that was a MARLIN 1895 in 45/70 with a 2x7x scope sighted in to hit 3.5" high at 100 yards with am 405 grain, hard cast gas check bullet,( 52 grains of Varget powder or 45 grains of RL7)for the next 30 plus years the camp back-up was either that marlin 1895 ,45/70 or a browning BLR chambered in 358 WIN also sighted in at 3.5" high at 100 yards with, a 250 grain SPEER bullet over 44 grains of Imr 4064 and a 3x/9x scope, both rifles used federal 215 primers, and there were a very surprising number of elk and mule deer harvested with those back-up rifles and as a result a significant number of people in our group learned that those rifles did an excellent job in the area we hunt and the people who used those (BACK-UP RIFLES) frequently bought and now hunt with almost identical rifles because they worked very effectively in the area we hunt on big mule deer and elk at the ranges and under the conditions we hunt.
much of the area looks similar to these pictures I found posted elsewhere
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270 win
30/06 sprng
358 win.
35 Whelan
340 WBY
375 H&H

45/70
450 marlin



 
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