Reasonably Decent Bear Protection In A Handgun




don't think a 44 mag, if properly hand loaded,
is as under powered as some people who own the larger magnum revolvers would have you believe,
while its certainly true that cartridges like the 454 casull, 480 ruger, 460 and 500 S&W mags have more power,

there, comes a point in any hunt where your shot placement and knowledge of the games anatomy ,
and your skill at getting in close to the game, and making a precise shot, will do you more good than increased power!
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http://www.nosler.com/load-data/

https://www.starlinebrass.com/

http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/reloading_manual/

http://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/

http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/

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old joke how do you prevent bear attacks :facepalm:

ANSWER ,
WEAR BELLS ON YOUR BACK PACK , SO YOU WON/T ACCIDENTALLY SNEAK UP ON AND SCARE A BEAR<AND CARRY BEAR SPRAY

HOW DO YOU KNOW BEARS ARE IN THE AREA
ANSWER ,
LOOK FOR BEAR CRAP,
BLACK BEAR CRAP HAS BERRIES AND FISH SCALES< OCCASIONALLY CANDY WRAPPERS
GRIZZLY BEAR CRAP< FREQUENTLY SMELLS LIKE PEPPER SPRAY AND HAS BITS OF CHEWED BELLS
& torn clothes IN IT

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carrying a mag revolver handgun or shotgun or something like,
a 450 marlin or 45/70 makes a lot of sense if you want decent bear defense
but if you use revolvers or any handgun, reasonably heavy for caliber, hard cast bullets,
pushed to the max safe velocity for the handgun are required to maximize deep penetration.
it should be obvious that a 6"-10" barrel length provides higher velocity and a better sight
radius
as always you better have extensive practice, and have the skills to make accurate,
and ideally rapid repeated shot placement and a knowledge of bear anatomy

or you might want to duplicate my approach carry a 340 wby or 375 H&H carbine and a heavy caliber revolver on most hunts,
no you don't need that power level but its nice to have if you ever need it
if I was asked to pick the two best elk hunting cartridges,
it a very easy choice
, the 340 weatherby and 375 H&H easily fill that nitch
in the list of cartridges best suited to that usage,
especially if the heavier bullet weights are used,
the 225-250 weight 338 projectiles in the 340wby
and the 270-300 grain weight 375 projectiles work flawlessly, ON ELK, many times having impressive one shot kills
even out at ranges of 250-300 yards
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some people have stated that BEAR SPRAY, is a "very effective repellent"
personally I think both options have merit, under most conditions but there's no doubt,
a decent handgun , in skilled hands can kill or totally break down a bear physically,
thus making the attack far less likely to proceed. (yes there are potential legal issues)
while bear spray relies on causing the aggressive bears pain, to dissuade him.
 
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a great example of why you don't select and use smaller caliber semi auto handguns,
on larger game for effective defense,
if this guy gets that result on what appears to be a 45lb-60lb hog,
just imagine how useless it would be on a pissed off 350lb-600lb bear
,if your forced to shoot it with that handgun, at point blank range!
now I don't know the caliber but I suspect it's a 9mm.
yeah the shots will likely eventually prove to be lethal,
but in the meantime that hog or bear could do a great deal of damage to your anatomy,
or be lost, far further away than you might imagine in the brush.

I had a friend get 35 plus stitches in his legs from a hog he shot with a 9mm handgun
loaded with 115 grain hollow points over 8 times before and after it knocked him off his feet
his buddy killed the hog with a 12 ga. shotgun , loaded with #6 birdshot fired into the hogs head at less than 3 feet
they were out bird hunting and never intended or expected to be charged by a pissed off hog
 
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just a bit of info, if you think you might have to deal with a pissed off bear,
carry a heavy caliber rifle (45/70 with 400 grain hard cast or a 338-375 H&H )
or a 12 ga or 10 ga, shotgun loaded with slugs,

a handgun is noticeably less lethal or accurate in most peoples hands
, but if you carry a handgun (JUST IN CASE) Id suggest a 44mag as a minimum,
but yes the 10mm has a lot of fans.
keep in mind bears come in different sizes and
temperaments, and every year people are fatally mauled or even eaten
if you use a handgun for bear defense it better be able to get the job done and push those bullets through a significant depth of hide, muscle and bone even before it destroys the vitals or your likely to get mauled

once most people come to realize that with any of the newer large bore revolvers in the 44 cal-50 caliber range,
it's more a matter of selecting the correct projectile and handload data required, and the skill and restraint in not using a handgun untill your well withing the range where the experience and skill of the hunter allows precise shots to be made consistently,
and the need for consistent and accurate shot placement and a good knowledge of the games anatomy and skeletal and muscular structure
( where the vitals are located and what is critical , thus, knowing what must be destroyed structurally)
and which vital organs are most easily and rapidly destroyed , and how to reach them from externally,identifiable anatomy and the location and angles to reach the vitals internally,to render the game rapidly immobile and having rapidly caused lethal internal damage)
most of us find that the power levels available from a quality ,properly loaded revolver (or in some cases semi auto handgun) are more than adequate in the depth of potential penetration and potential accuracy.
the issue is not in the weapons power or accuracy its mostly in the skill, practice and accuracy the operator can provide in the use of such weapons and in the restrain he shows in only using it once well within the weapons effective range.
facing the fact that even the AFRICAN big five are reasonable easy to kill with archery equipment in highly skilled hands , points out the overwhelming
improved range, power and accuracy a hunter has at his disposal if a handgun, properly loaded and well within its physical and its operator's limitations are used.
Ive used a 44 mag revolver to kill elk out at 70 yards and had the projectiles exit the far side of the elks chest, so lack of power with the larger and more powerful handguns is not an issue.
I've done a few penetration tests in stacked plywood and the 320 grain hard cast bullets from a properly loaded 445 DWSM penetrate extremely well, now there's zero doubt a 470 grain hard cast 50 caliber bullet from my 500 S&W mag packs a considerably harder impact , but the 445 DWSM penetrates about as deep.
both easily exceed what a 357 mag or 10mm semi auto provide in penetration,
but the fact is that even the 357 mag and 10mm have proven lethal to bears when used in skilled hands,
but even a 500 mags power numbers looks pitiful if your facing a pissed off bear at less than 20 feet
so again its your butt, if you can't shoot well under stress and only precise shot placement matters ,
you can't miss fast enough, to stop a pissed off bear thus mag capacity is not all that critical if you can't hit the vitals well.
if you do the math the 445 DWSM from my 10" barrel has near 1500 fps and that translated to near 1600 ft lbs at the muzzle
if you do the math the 500 S&W from my 7.5" barrel has near 1400 fps and that translated to near 2050 ft lbs at the muzzle
if you do the math the 10mm glock with a 200 grain hard cast, bullet from my 6" barrel has near 1240 fps,

and that translated to near 683 ft lbs at the muzzle
(btw a 158 grain hard cast 357 mag from my 8" revolver shows it has 690 ft lbs at the muzzle)

BTW if anyone cares
if you do the math the 44 S&W mag throws the 300 grain hard cast bullet from my 10" barrel has near 1400 fps,
and that translated to near 1300 ft lbs at the muzzle, and yes it shot completely thru an elks chest,
and bunches of hogs and deer over the decades

and its killed deer at 80 yards several Times with one shot, so it's well proven to be lethal on big game
and while the 44 mag seems to be close to the 445 DWSM in power on paper,
the penetration in plywood shows the 445 simply punches noticeably deeper,
not that it might matter much as I've stated the 44 mag shoots
through and elk and exits

Id damn sure prefer either revolver over any semi auto 10mm or 45 acp if facing down a pissed off bear regardless of the semi auto
handguns far larger mag capacity
10mm handgun users tend to prefer jacketed bullets to provide max reliability

I cast bullets from 95% WW alloy and 5% pure tin, and yes I use gas checks,
they do expand a bit on impact but hold together well
 
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