the 340 weatherby, the best elk rifle I own

grumpyvette

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Ive had one ELK rifle Ive used more than any other, its the 340 weatherby, its been the best elk rifle I own for 40 years, Ive yet to shoot an Elk with it that didn,t drop within a few yards and most stagger around and drop in seconds.
sight in 3.5" high at 100 yards and just hold dead on target to 300 yards and still hit very close to the aim point with the 250 grain hornady bullets loaded to 2875 fps, the recoil level requires a muzzle brake or a recoil pad and a sling, but you only fire at most two shots at game, on an ELK hunt , in most cases, and your generally dressed for cold weather with a bit of shoulder padding so that's no big concern
as you might guess Im a big fan of the 340wby, its the most used caliber ELK hunting tool I own
If you hand load ,(WHICH ID ADVISE) you might want to try 215 fed primers, 250 grain hornady spire points and H4831 powder (Ill let you look it up to get the starting loads )then work up, but at about 2850fps its a darn effective elk dropping tool, and you can load the 225 grain hornadys to 3050fps if you want a flat shooting load
Ive hunted ELK for 40 plus years and used a 340wby, 375H&H,45/70 and 35 whelen, and various other calibers, most shots Ive taken at under 250 yards Ive rarely need two shots, not because IM a great shot but because most shots are taken sitting with a sling or resting over a good rest like a solid tree limb at well under 250 yards and I can,t remember a single elk being alive when I reached it. and its been decades since I felt a second shot was required, its just a mater of not shooting until your positive you can accurately place a shot and getting in as close as possible
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provided you use a controlled expanding bullet ,shots placed in the red + in my experience tend to drop elk or deer quickly with minimal meat loss , shots in the green + will destroy even less meat but tend to result in a 30-70 yard run before game drops, but if you hit the off side leg bone its going to get messy
now I've also used a 375 H&H SAKO carbine and a 760 Remington slide action, in thick timbered areas, so don,t get the idea I,m not familiar with other calibers, or don,t use several.
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http://www.jagt.net/Weatherby/340/

http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.340 ... agnum.html

Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 .........2875 -0.5 ......0.........0 ........4589 ..........0
50 .........2766 2.06 .....0.65 0.06 4247 0.61
100 .........2664 3.49 .....2.44 0.11 3940 1.13
150 .........2565 3.69 ......5.45 0.17 3652 2.02
200 .........2468 2.56 .......9.8 0.23 3381 3.29
250 ..........2374 0 ......15.57 0.29 3129 4.95
300 .........2282 -4.11........ 22.9 0.35 2891 7.04
350 .........2192 -9.9......... 31.9 0.42 2667 9.58
400 .........2103 -17.5.... 42.7 0.49 2455 12.59
450 .........2017 -27.07...... 55.5 0.56 2258 16.1
500 .........1933 -38.78...... 70.43 0.64 2074 20.15

heres a different calculator results
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example
I was sitting about 70 yards up a slope on one side of a canyon,watching the far slope and creek that ran thru the meadow in the canyon floor, area on a recent ELK hunt when I noticed several elk sneaking thru the aspens on the far slope at about 270 yards, ( a RARE long range ELK SHOT) I got the bi-pod on the rifle extended for a sitting shot, (thats one reason I prefer the 27" harris bi-pods) I wrapped my arm into the adjustable sling and put the cross hairs of the scope mid way up the crease on the rear of the bulls front leg as he stepped slowly forward the trigger sear on my weatherby worked smoothly and the shot hit perfectly, driving thru the chest and chipping the off side leg bone after passing thru the elks chest just above the heart, I was amazed to see an aspen about 5" in diam. that was behind the elk when I fired, fall slowly after the ELK collapsed.....investigation, on reaching the elk, showed that even after the bullet passed thru the bull and partly broke its off side leg the 250 hornady still punched clear thru the 5" diam. aspen and buried into the slope beyond, now that's an ELK CALIBER, not only is it accurate, but it HAMMERS ELK and penetrates extremely well.

your ability to kill with either caliber (338 win or 340 wby,) depends both on the bullet selected and shot placement, and knowledge of the games anatomy more than, increased velocity alone, might,make you think looking at energy figures alone, that the 340 has an advantage, but the 340 wby , while it does hit noticeably harder,at times and shoot slightly flatter, in my experience than the 338 mag with similar bullets,does a good job also, but thats not the same thing as being more deadly, but it does give you a slight advantage in hitting where you want at longer ranges.

you can reasonably expect about 250-300 fps faster velocities from a 340 vs a 338 win, given the same bullets
play with this calculator and see if that really means much in you results

http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx

what you'll find if your truthful with the data is that you can stand about 75-90 yards further away with the 340wby and get the same results as a 338 win
and that the 340 is very close to a 375 H&H in energy on paper, and results, on game, look MY favorite rifles are the 340 WBY fibermark and a 375 H&H Sako , but are 100% effective in my hands over the last 40 years hunting ELK
but you'll find that the 338 win has an equally good record if the guy using it can hit where he intends too, dropping game is more a matter of exact shot placement than velocity, or paper energy, even a 270wby-300 wby will kill effectively with premium bullets and decent shot placement, where the larger WBY calibers like a 340wby shine, is in getting the games full attention on bullet impact, again,that's not the same thing as being more deadly,but it tends to get results closer to the point of impact PROVIDED YOUR SHOT PLACEMENT IS GOOD, and YOU DESTROY VITAL ORGANS, LIKE THE ARTERIES OVER THE HEART AND LUNGS! angle a shot to destroy those internal targets,on its way thru, and if possible impact the far leg on its exit from the chest cavity and you'll drop game very effectively, but don,t assume all animals hit will drop on bullet impact, many Ive shot seem stunned or stagger around drunkenly for a few seconds or run like hell for about 15-20 yards, then fold like a wet paper towel

http://www.inberg.ca/hunting_essentials/elk_anatomy_&_shot_placement.htm
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RON, is on of my long term hunting partners and hes used a savage 338 win for many years, its just as DEADLY (IE, one well placed shot results in a dead ELK) as my 340 WBY, but it doesn,t seem to drop game as close to the point of bullet impact as consistently, over the years, but the difference is minor.Even RONs been impressed with the 340wbys ability to kill, fast, but again, not more deadly, just occasionally more effective in a shorter time
 
just a bit of info on bullets
many guys don,t think thru the fact that the bullet does 100% of the work on the game and the game is never going to be influenced by the brand name on your rifle, a bullet shot from your 340 wby may have started out considerably faster than on from a 338 win or 338 federal, but its the bullet design and construction and its impact velocity, and where on the games anatomy it impacts that has the most influence on the results.
I do the reloading for about 7 guys in our camp and we have hunted ELK for many years with most of the guys making the trip at least every other year.
several guys in camp use 338 win rifles and I and my two sons have 340 wby rifles
now Ive used several different bullets before I settled on the 250 hornady I now use almost exclusively and I might be able to help some of you guys out in selecting what may be FOR you the best choice.
now personally the factors I look for in an ELK bullet are good ACCURACY , flat trajectory , out to a decent 350 yards or so, and slow controlled expansion and exit wounds
I don,t want the bullet to shred, and I want exit wounds.
most Of my ELK and most of the guys I hunt with have killed ELK at ranges between about 80-150 yards in heavy timber so take that into account here, the longest shots seldom exceed 270 yards
now Ill admit the results, Im talking about here, have been limited to about 2 dozen, plus ELK taken over the last 30 years with the 338 caliber rifles for me to autopsy, and maybe twice that shot by other members of our group that on some years has 6-8 guys in out camp.
like many guys Ive seen the results of high velocity and bullets that won,t hold together on impact, one of the first bullets I tried was a SPEER 200 grain, while it killed like a lightning bolt with heart/lung shots, the close range hits turned the impact area and most of the meat near it into nasty jello, and bits of jacket remained in the wound channel, a good deal of meat was wasted.
the sierra 250 boat tails behaved in a similar manor to the 200 grain speers
the nosler 210 grains were an improvement and the nosler 250 grains were nice and dependable but both were expensive, the speer 250 grain were great,but not as accurate in my 340 as the hornady 250 grain
any of those last four bullets are a good choice in my opinion
the 225 grain hornady also seems to work ok, but those tend to open / expand slightly slower in my experience , still a good choice but Ive had better results with the 250 grain
now but better results I mean more consistent exit wounds, all five bullets kill elk just fine.
BTW don,t get worried if an ELK staggers around or brakes into a short run, even a well hit ELK will occasionally as like its going to vacate the area at a dead run, they don,t get far so theres no point in tearing up more meat if your sure your first shot hit where you intended it to.
as a side note the two fast expanding bullets seem to work better on deer as the five I like for ELK expand slower and don,t have the same effect on deer, many deer Ive shot with the 250 hornady and 225 hornady just stagger around for up to 45 seconds before falling,with lung shots, the bullets obviously don,t expand rapidly on light resistance, and even my 270 win does a better job on mule deer

I own both a 270win and a 340 wby, both are excellent for the applications they are designed for, but in my opinion they tend to be marginal for those applications the other caliber is designed for.
the 270 win is probably one of the best possible deer and pronghorn calibers when correctly loaded,(the 130-140-150 grain speer and hornady bullets do a great job on deer) but its just usable in my opinion on ELK , compared to the 340 wby loaded with 225-250 grain bullets, in my experience, the same goes for the 340wby, its EXCELLENT on larger game like ELK, but not ideal for the lighter game, a great deal of that is related to the bullet designs,each caliber uses, a typical 130-150 grain 270 bullet has a noticeably thinner jacket and expands faster than a typical 225-250 grain 338 caliber bullet , with its thicker jacket and theres an obvious difference in the wound channels characteristics when you autopsy game, either caliber will kill either class of game but the 270 bullets Ive used and done deer and elk autopsy's on during the game dress out process seem to open & expand faster, and destroy more tissue in the first 8-12 inches, the 338 calibers seem to open slightly slower, and penetrate deeper and expand in a slower and more controlled manor only after a few inches of penetration, Ive had 250 grain bullets zip thru several mule deer and obviously not expand a great deal, as the mule deer, staggered around drunkenly for up to a minute or ran a short distance , while the 270 win I use with 150 speers in my 270 on mule deer with similar hits tends to crumple them rather consistently, and the wound channels give your an indication of why!.
FRANK, (ONE of my hunting partners) used a 270win for years on ELK,while he was successful, he rarely had an ELK drop,and frequently had them run a short distance, something that was less common with the 340,338,35whelen and 375 H&H hit ELK, obviously with only about 6-12 animals on average hit with each caliber used by guys in my elk camp that's not statistically valid but only a strong impression, we all had in the camp.
thats important as theres a big difference in the required penetration and animal size, your average deer falls in the 120-180lb range, ELK are easily three times as large, or in a few cases slightly more.
your average hunter can drag out a dressed deer, you pack out ELK in boned sections over several trips
 
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