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Again we can debunk the myth that slowing down the coolant flow will help cool an engine. It's all about turbulent flow that scrubs the surface of the tube ID removing the boundary layer. Turbulent flow is also why detonation is so destructive to a piston, it scrubs or wipes away the boundary layer that protects/insulates the piston from the high temperatures of combustion.

“We hit that wall every so often with customers where they have a certain belief one way,” he added, “but it’s been proven, and it’s discovered that it is the complete opposite.”

Pairaktaridis told us one persistent myth is that “you have to slow down coolant to spend more time in the radiator.”

“That’s absolutely wrong,” he continued. “You actually need to increase the velocity of the coolant so it will increase turbulent flow.”

Pairaktaridis explained, “Turbulent flow in the cooling system is
ridiculously important because it is able to pull more heat and dissipate more heat into the system. You want to pull heat from the engine and dissipate it to the heat exchanger. By increasing velocity of the coolant flow, you are actually increasing turbulent flow within the cooling system, which is able to dissipate more heat.

So what is the boundary layer and why is it so important??? I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for to illustrate this. Think about flow in a pipe, the center will have the greatest velocity, but as you approach the pipe wall the velocity slows down until it reaches zero. That zero region is the boundary layer that insulates the surface. That is until the fluid exceeds a certain velocity, then the flow becomes turbulent, then it is scrubbing the surface. Turbulent flow is what you want in a radiator, but not if you are a piston.

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Another myth to consider ......

Consider radiator thickness: Whereas many still believe thicker means better, Pairaktaridis said CAD and CFD have shown evidence to the contrary.

“As air travels through the core, it picks up heat,” he explained. “At a certain point it reaches a level of saturation where no more heat is being pulled through. The thicker the core, the more restrictive it is, so air is actually slowing down; it is picking up the saturation point a lot earlier.”

Speaking to the advantage of a thinner radiator “in many cases,” Pairaktaridis pointed out that “not only are you saving in weight and space, but it also cools better. So you can have your cake and eat it, too.

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great post!
yeah I've heard and tried to debunk that myth for decades

I anyone who's done much welding knows you can drop red hot parts in a bucket of water and they cool off in seconds
thats dropping the temp from 800f plus to 100f in seconds, so dropping coolant from maybe 210F-180f is almost without question far easier to accomplish in radiator tubes exposed to air flow and the huge surface area of the radiator fins and rapid air flow rates

Turbulent Flow Basics​

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In a mold cooling system Turbulent water flow is much more efficient at removing heat than laminar flow. After turbulent flow is achieved, increasing the flow rate further yields more cooling benefit, but at a declining rate compared to water flow rate. The graph of "Steel Temperature vs. Coolant Flow" illustrates this point.

Often mold operators try to maximize the flow of water through their cooling systems to ensure turbulent flow. This practice increases water pumping cost and can also limit the amount of cooling water available for cooling other molds on the same cooling system circuit. A better practice is to ensure turbulent flow and sufficient cooling by using flow meters and FCI (Fluid Characteristic Indication) Technology. In this way an efficient cooling process can be realized using the minimum pumping capacity and energy.
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BillaVista.com-Cooling Bible Tech Article by BillaVista
 
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I constantly try :like:to upgrade the quality and quantity of info in links and sub links,
in all the threads, in this web site, as I find more useful info to insert in them
 
I just found this particular cooling thread. I never thought about VELOCITY increasing turbulence / and helping achieve turbulent flow in the cooling system, but it of course makes complete sense.

In brewing heat exchangers turbulent flow is equally important. Many brewing systems use "counter flow chillers" that essentially are a copper tube inside of a piece of plastic or copper or stainless tubing. Some systems use "convoluted copper" inner tubes which are spiral shaped and create huge increases in efficiency and you can use half the length of tubing to achieve the same amount of cooling just from the increase in efficiency from the increased turbulence. (This type of chiller is usually sold at exactly 1/2 the length of the smooth tubing version of the chiller.)

Note: These are water-to-water systems, so I'm guessing increased turbulence on just the liquid size of a liquid-to-air exchanger like a radiator doesn't see something anywhere near a doubling of efficiency, but I think it's useful to realize that in other liquid cooling applications increased turbulence CAN create a near 2x increase in efficiency. Yet ANOTHER reason for high-velocity coolant, not that we need another one...

Great picture:
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Some people will build their own by wrapping a stainless or copper or even a pex wire around the inner tube to increase turbulence.
I'm surprised there's not features internal to radiators to increase the turbulence of the flow.
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Isn't the smoother, more laminar-type flow, to a certain degree what water wetters are combatting by decreasing the surface tension of the water, doesn't it also decrease the hot outer boundary layer? -That's been my mental model for how they work, anyway.

I think of basically this laminar flow picture, but with the "hot" outer layer getting increasingly thinner; not sure if that's a valid mental model, or not...
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Adam
 
I think the Radiator Thickness concept needs to be balanced a bit with the Dewitts article that's essentially coorelating radiator performance to a large degree to the total fin surface area.

I wish I had data on how a radiator's efficiency changes as the fin surface area comes from more rows with thinner tubes vs. fewer rows with less tubes...

Example: What if you had two radiators with 2.5" of total tube area:

Radiator #1: A 2 core radiator with 1.25" wide tubes
Radiator #2: A 4 core radiator, otherwise identical to #1, but with .60" wide tubes

-Which would cool better?
I feel pretty strongly that radiator #1 would cool better and I think that's because the air flows better through it and because I think the cooling efficiency drops with more cores as each successive core is exposed to a higher air temp.

I have no data on this and have never seen any data on this, but it definitely makes me wonder about it.


Adam
 
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NewbVetteGuy thank you for posting the info and pictures as Im sure it may help some members​



btw keep in mind OIL does a great deal more of the engines internal heat transfer, between parts like rings, bearings, pistons, valve springs, and valves, than most people realize, thus a 7-8 quart baffled oil pan, a longer oil filter having added capacity, and an external oil cooler with a electric fan can have a very noticeable effect on the engines coolant temps
 
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