one of the guys I handload for and occasionally hunt with, brought his single action ruger 480 handgun over and showed me an inside the waistband concealed carry holster he had a local shop fabricate for that revolver,
he asked me if I thought the revolver was a good choice for concealed carry use?
(similar to picture below)
I have to think he's watched the movies like
"the GOOD, THE BAD and THE UGLY " with the clint eastwood character too many times
yes without any doubt, a 480 ruger properly loaded would provide impressive power,
but its too large and slow
(single action)
(and only six shot capacity with significant recoil)
to use as a primary defensive tool in most people's hands
sure it's doable if you practice extensively, but a 10-17 shot pistol like a,
SIG, S&W, GLOCK ETC. might be a better option in a caliber like,
9mm,40 S&W,45 acp, 38 super, 10mm, as a few popular choices
a 6.5" barrel single action in an inside the waistband holster,
with nearly twice the power and recoil ,of a 44 mag..
has a few potential issues in my opinion
\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZgmopVd3Ao
I broke up laughing at that idea
I said some defense attorney, for the two guys widows who were behind the guy you shoot, during a robbery, while he was robbing you, might think so, but personally, I think there's better choices, once a bullet exits the intended target extra power is wasted, and you damn sure won't get rapid repeated shots on target either
(not that you'll need to if the first center mass shot connects)
RAPIDLY APPLIED & CORRECT SHOT PLACEMENT,
MATCHED TO ADEQUATE PENETRATION,
and a KNOWLEDGE OF THE OPPONENTS ANATOMY AND VITAL ORGAN LOCATION< ARE
the most critical factor's in handgun effective usage!
I reminded him that there is a rather nice double action ruger snub nose revolver available and he can hand load ammo down to more reasonable power levels than the 400 grain handloads at near 1200 fps he is currently using, a lighter weight 275 grain bullet at near 900 fps certainly would be fully adequate
https://www.speer.com/bullets/handgun_bullets/deepcurl_handgun_hunting/19-3973.html
speer sells a decent 275 grain hollow point bullet for that use
Id have started with 9- 10 grains of unique powder
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...with-a-neighbors-new-480-ruger-handgun.16011/
I would suppose the first few questions you would rather reasonably ask yourself would be...
if its a defensive tool,
it is almost by definition designed to be used at rather close ranges
CERTAINLY MOST OF THE TIME AT WELL UNDER 50 yards .
and the vast majority of the time at under 15 yards
(1)
what or who are ,and potentially how many potential adversaries,
are you defending yourself against?
(2)
what are the most likely range and time limitations involved
(3)
will this weapon choice ,be used for concealed carry use?
(4)
is the choice of my equipment or my options legal in the area I will be in?
(5)
how dependable and effective will my choice be?
(6)
how often can I train with and how much skill is required in its use?
(7)
how likely is it that you can avoid any confrontation?
(8)
how many cartridges does the handgun hold and
how fast can I reload ?
(9)
how fast and how accurately can YOU SHOOT THE HANDGUN?
I can tell you after reading various accounts from survivors, that the average distance in the vast majority of cases,
I read about involving either ANIMAL or an ANTAGONIST CRIMINAL
the attack will be carried out from MUCH closer distances and allow you far less time to grasp the situation and react before you may be seriously injured than most people might think.
there is no magic bullet or best cartridge, shot placement and given no other option other than fight or die
... In most cases, survivors stated that rapid, repeated and accurate shots on target are the critical factor in a good defense,
having read hundreds of accounts of muggings, home invasions, and various attacks by animals its statistically rare to have more than 4-6 shots fired, or more than a 2-4 seconds window, available for the intended victim to arm and prepare or have a shot taken at the threat, or have the threat at more than 20 feet.
people generally are far easier to repel or disable than animals
I put that down to people who have some concept of what being shot might be, where animals must be physically damaged, structurally(skeletal) or organs and blood loss, internally and in considerable pain before they back off.
many animals and people are so adrenalized they don,t immediately recognize the damage inflicted.
shot placement in all cases is critical, and the more shots striking vital organs or breaking skeletal support the faster the results are seen.
theres lots of similar discussions on the internet,
from what I read and have seen hunting Id suggest the 9mm para, and 38 spc (350-400 ft lbs on target)are about the reasonable lower limits for effective use against a human assailant,
and while shot placement is more critical than power, a 357 mag or larger (550 ft lbs on target) gives you a marginal edge on animals.
the 10mm and 41 mag have proven to be effective on many animals with rapidly applied multiple hits,
if good quality ammo was used, and certainly would be very effective on a human if the user has the skill to use it effectively,
the 41 and 44 mag are about the largest cartridges that can be easily used and controlled if you have extensive practice.
so why would one select the larger more powerful pistols like a 454 cassul or 500 S&W?
these calibers are designed for hunters, not defensive use,
but a single-center mass hit can be devastating,
penetration is far deeper and you might not get a second shot on a pissed-off, bear or cougar.
having a pistol that can drive a projectile lengthwise through a bear and exit destroying everything in its path along the way has advantages.
if you're concerned with selecting a concealed carry pistol Id select nothing smaller than the 9mm para, and 38 spc and suggest you practice rapid accurate shot placement on as 4" diam, target at 20 feet constantly,
if you're more concerned with something with teeth and claws I'd certainly go with a 10mm or 357 or larger handgun, as a minimum, but again suggest you practice rapid accurate shot placement on as 4" diam, target at 20 feet constantly,
BTW if you handload
speer gold dot bullets have a very good reputation for both expansion and penetration in simulated ballistic gelatin
in most calibers, if pushed to reasonable high velocity
keep in mind you should select the handgun, based on absolute dependability, its ammo availability and the handguns barrel length , effects concealability and its cartridge power based on the intended use, potential range and conditions expected , and it certainly won't hurt if that selection has a bit of extra range, potential accuracy, penetration, and power potential
remember your life expectance depends on that handgun performing well/accurately and effectively to stop any potential, assailant,
and, to be effective, you must be able to consistently and repeatedly and rapidly, place shots accurately.
related info you should read through
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/the-statistically-perfect-gunfight/
https://www.vpc.org/studies/uninthree.htm
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
https://j2training.net/news/best-caliber-for-self-defense-9mm-40-sampw-or-45-acp
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...n-a-defensive-handgun-would-be-and-why.11908/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...rtridges-and-how-much-does-power-mater.15400/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...es-between-accuracy-power-and-capacity.15770/
https://thewellarmedwoman.com/about-guns/the-handgun-caliber-comparison-chart-and-guide/
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/balancing-power-recoil-self-defense/
https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/ammunition/what-you-need-to-know-about-handgun-stopping-power
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shooting/Defensive-Handgun-Cartridges-are-all-the-Same-Facts-vs-Hype
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shoo...ce=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-skyaboveus---outdoors
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shoo...ce=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-skyaboveus---outdoors
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shooting/44-Remington-Magnum-Still-the-Best-Big-Bore-Magnum
he asked me if I thought the revolver was a good choice for concealed carry use?
(similar to picture below)
I have to think he's watched the movies like
"the GOOD, THE BAD and THE UGLY " with the clint eastwood character too many times
yes without any doubt, a 480 ruger properly loaded would provide impressive power,
but its too large and slow
(single action)
(and only six shot capacity with significant recoil)
to use as a primary defensive tool in most people's hands
sure it's doable if you practice extensively, but a 10-17 shot pistol like a,
SIG, S&W, GLOCK ETC. might be a better option in a caliber like,
9mm,40 S&W,45 acp, 38 super, 10mm, as a few popular choices
a 6.5" barrel single action in an inside the waistband holster,
with nearly twice the power and recoil ,of a 44 mag..
has a few potential issues in my opinion
10mm vs 357 - Handgun Cartridge Comparison by Ammo.com
When it comes to stopping power, 10mm vs 357 is too close to call. Both are exceptional self-defense rounds, but can a magnum revolver defeat a semi-auto handgun?
ammo.com
I said some defense attorney, for the two guys widows who were behind the guy you shoot, during a robbery, while he was robbing you, might think so, but personally, I think there's better choices, once a bullet exits the intended target extra power is wasted, and you damn sure won't get rapid repeated shots on target either
(not that you'll need to if the first center mass shot connects)
RAPIDLY APPLIED & CORRECT SHOT PLACEMENT,
MATCHED TO ADEQUATE PENETRATION,
and a KNOWLEDGE OF THE OPPONENTS ANATOMY AND VITAL ORGAN LOCATION< ARE
the most critical factor's in handgun effective usage!
I reminded him that there is a rather nice double action ruger snub nose revolver available and he can hand load ammo down to more reasonable power levels than the 400 grain handloads at near 1200 fps he is currently using, a lighter weight 275 grain bullet at near 900 fps certainly would be fully adequate
https://www.speer.com/bullets/handgun_bullets/deepcurl_handgun_hunting/19-3973.html
speer sells a decent 275 grain hollow point bullet for that use
Id have started with 9- 10 grains of unique powder
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...with-a-neighbors-new-480-ruger-handgun.16011/
I would suppose the first few questions you would rather reasonably ask yourself would be...
if its a defensive tool,
it is almost by definition designed to be used at rather close ranges
CERTAINLY MOST OF THE TIME AT WELL UNDER 50 yards .
and the vast majority of the time at under 15 yards
(1)
what or who are ,and potentially how many potential adversaries,
are you defending yourself against?
(2)
what are the most likely range and time limitations involved
(3)
will this weapon choice ,be used for concealed carry use?
(4)
is the choice of my equipment or my options legal in the area I will be in?
(5)
how dependable and effective will my choice be?
(6)
how often can I train with and how much skill is required in its use?
(7)
how likely is it that you can avoid any confrontation?
(8)
how many cartridges does the handgun hold and
how fast can I reload ?
(9)
how fast and how accurately can YOU SHOOT THE HANDGUN?
I can tell you after reading various accounts from survivors, that the average distance in the vast majority of cases,
I read about involving either ANIMAL or an ANTAGONIST CRIMINAL
the attack will be carried out from MUCH closer distances and allow you far less time to grasp the situation and react before you may be seriously injured than most people might think.
there is no magic bullet or best cartridge, shot placement and given no other option other than fight or die
... In most cases, survivors stated that rapid, repeated and accurate shots on target are the critical factor in a good defense,
having read hundreds of accounts of muggings, home invasions, and various attacks by animals its statistically rare to have more than 4-6 shots fired, or more than a 2-4 seconds window, available for the intended victim to arm and prepare or have a shot taken at the threat, or have the threat at more than 20 feet.
people generally are far easier to repel or disable than animals
I put that down to people who have some concept of what being shot might be, where animals must be physically damaged, structurally(skeletal) or organs and blood loss, internally and in considerable pain before they back off.
many animals and people are so adrenalized they don,t immediately recognize the damage inflicted.
shot placement in all cases is critical, and the more shots striking vital organs or breaking skeletal support the faster the results are seen.
theres lots of similar discussions on the internet,
from what I read and have seen hunting Id suggest the 9mm para, and 38 spc (350-400 ft lbs on target)are about the reasonable lower limits for effective use against a human assailant,
and while shot placement is more critical than power, a 357 mag or larger (550 ft lbs on target) gives you a marginal edge on animals.
the 10mm and 41 mag have proven to be effective on many animals with rapidly applied multiple hits,
if good quality ammo was used, and certainly would be very effective on a human if the user has the skill to use it effectively,
the 41 and 44 mag are about the largest cartridges that can be easily used and controlled if you have extensive practice.
so why would one select the larger more powerful pistols like a 454 cassul or 500 S&W?
these calibers are designed for hunters, not defensive use,
but a single-center mass hit can be devastating,
penetration is far deeper and you might not get a second shot on a pissed-off, bear or cougar.
having a pistol that can drive a projectile lengthwise through a bear and exit destroying everything in its path along the way has advantages.
if you're concerned with selecting a concealed carry pistol Id select nothing smaller than the 9mm para, and 38 spc and suggest you practice rapid accurate shot placement on as 4" diam, target at 20 feet constantly,
if you're more concerned with something with teeth and claws I'd certainly go with a 10mm or 357 or larger handgun, as a minimum, but again suggest you practice rapid accurate shot placement on as 4" diam, target at 20 feet constantly,
BTW if you handload
speer gold dot bullets have a very good reputation for both expansion and penetration in simulated ballistic gelatin
in most calibers, if pushed to reasonable high velocity
keep in mind you should select the handgun, based on absolute dependability, its ammo availability and the handguns barrel length , effects concealability and its cartridge power based on the intended use, potential range and conditions expected , and it certainly won't hurt if that selection has a bit of extra range, potential accuracy, penetration, and power potential
remember your life expectance depends on that handgun performing well/accurately and effectively to stop any potential, assailant,
and, to be effective, you must be able to consistently and repeatedly and rapidly, place shots accurately.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/the-statistically-perfect-gunfight/
https://www.vpc.org/studies/uninthree.htm
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
https://j2training.net/news/best-caliber-for-self-defense-9mm-40-sampw-or-45-acp
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...n-a-defensive-handgun-would-be-and-why.11908/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...rtridges-and-how-much-does-power-mater.15400/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...es-between-accuracy-power-and-capacity.15770/
https://thewellarmedwoman.com/about-guns/the-handgun-caliber-comparison-chart-and-guide/
https://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/balancing-power-recoil-self-defense/
https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/ammunition/what-you-need-to-know-about-handgun-stopping-power
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shooting/Defensive-Handgun-Cartridges-are-all-the-Same-Facts-vs-Hype
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shoo...ce=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-skyaboveus---outdoors
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shoo...ce=LI&li_medium=m2m-rcw-skyaboveus---outdoors
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shooting/44-Remington-Magnum-Still-the-Best-Big-Bore-Magnum
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