build a not traditional 350 sbc

grumpyvette

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" HEY GRUMPY?, I wanted to get your thoughts on a engine combo, I race asphalt circle track with a stock car. we have a 360cu in motor rule, have to run a production cast iron block, and heads. Flat top pistons and 2 barrell 500cfm holly carb. everyone at the track is just punching a 350 60 over and has very similar motors. I want to think outside the box. So I'm planning to build a 353 cubic inch motor by using a 400 block and a 3.25 stroke. With the idea of turning it 8500-9000rpm keeping the motor in the power band all the time. any input on parts, or recommendations on the best way to make this work would be appreciated. "




well Im my opinion a great deal depends on a close reading of the CLASS AND TRACK RULES
heres why, Ive built the 327 crank in a 400 block
usually requires bearing spacers that a good machine shop can fabricate


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To align-bore the mains on a 400 block, the rear-main-seal journal must be cut from the stock 2.641-inch diameter to 2.841 so the tool can slip through. Afterwards, use Fel-Pro spacer seal kit PN 2909.

Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engi ... tml#photos#ixzz2862gPd9o

The 400 block has larger main-bearing bores than a 350 (2.650 versus 2.450). To use a 350 crank in a 400 block, install these Comp Cams PN 5620 spacers, then use conventional bearings. Jeff used Speed-Pro race bearings, PN M139-10.

Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engi ... z2861yRv2z


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usually the 400 blocks bored .030 over size with spacer bearings. in the past Id be using 6.125" connecting rods
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SCA-6612521/

http://www.kb-silvolite.com/kb_car/perf ... ls&P_id=74

, 1.261 compression height pistons

http://kb-silvolite.com/calc.php?action=piston_comp
this results in a 6.125 rod +1.261+compression height and 1.625 stroke length in a standard 9.023 un-decked block measuring 9.011, with the typical .032 head gasket and heads that flow at least 250 cfm at .500 lift you come out just fine
now reguarding the carb flow
you need a cam with decent overlap like a crane 110981, and compression near 10.5:1

a carb rated at 500 cfm is measured at 1.5: of mercury increase the vacuum and it easily flows 700 cfm
but having an intake thats not restrictive like
this
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-300-110/?rtype=10

helps flow
http://users.erols.com/srweiss/calcdchg.htm

next you'll ask is it worth it?, well if your restricted to 360 cid displacement and your allowed to use aftermarket heads and a solid lifter flat tappet cam, the answers very truly YES it will produce better hp than a standard 350, but if limited to a having a hydraulic cam, stock heads and intake its not likely to be worth the time and cash outlay

you might find this worth reading
http://www.airflowresearch.com/articles ... /A3-P1.htm
 
one of the "secrets" in building a higher rpm engine is to match the cam timing with the intake ports harmonics and exhaust scavenging characteristics, a cam like the one I posted earlier for that 3.25: stroke and 4.155 bore , engine will significantly improve scavenging and upper rpm power.
you have a choice, you can randomly assemble parts, or you can duplicate a successful engine combo or you can use the math and calculate the most efficient combo and do some research and find out that your very unlikely to improve on what the previously successful experimentation and testing has shown.
but what youll find is that if parts are properly matched the larger bore and shorter stroke combo has advantages.
look lets go to the basics, the longer dwell at TDC the longer connecting rods, lower bore drag, and the larger surface area of the larger bore diam. all might be minor factors but remember ALL the effective peak pressure in the combustion cycle peaks and mostly dissipated well before the piston reached 30 degrees past TDC, and by the time the exhaust valve opens its dropped significantly.
a 350 based engine with its 4" -4.030" bore has about 12.6 sq inches of surface area, a 400 based engine blocks larger 1.125"- -4.155 bore has about 13.4 sq inches or nearly a 7% theoretical advantage
a 350 with its 3.5" stroke reaches max long term dependable piston speeds at about 400 rpm lower than the shorter stroke bigger bore combo.
all the factors alone may be minor, but taken together they provide a slight potential advantage, and if your taking that advantage moves your car 1% faster than the next guys car its potentially enough to win races
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by the time the pistons 60 degrees past TDC on the combustion stroke, theres a huge drop in cylinder pressure

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