Cam Question for Grumpy or Knowledgable Engine Builders

Hello Grumpy or anyone with engine knowledge

I completed my build and after several issues my engine is running well; although I am second guessing my cam selection. I am running the Lingenfelter 74216 cam (specs below) on a
L98 bored .04 with high flow TPI and AFR 180 heads.

LPE 74216: Hyd Roller 213/219 duration .493/.502 with 112 LSA

Would there be a better cam to install? What kind of HP/Torque increase could be gained?

Thanks for the Help!
 
posting a few related facts about your engine & car would be a huge help here!
car weight?
do you need to pass emission testing?

your rear gear ratio,
transmission,
stall speed(if its an auto?)
engine displacement?
heads?
compression ratio?
what you currently DON,T like about the current cam?
what you would like to get in the swap?
and clearance issues or limitations?
what is the heads clearance , or max lift?
which tpi intake?
headers?
ETC.

that cam and that intake, manifold and those heads are all designed for low and mid rpm TORQUE, your going to be rather restricted after 5500rpm-6000rpm, so even with a cam swap your not going to have a high rpm screamer, and that combo won,t work without a decent rear gear and low restriction exhaust, so please let us know more

Fuel Injection Engine Camshafts: BY ERSON CAMS

For a camshaft to work in a fuel injected application, it needs to make a good vacuum signal.
To create a vacuum signal, that stands a reasonable chance at working in an application without having to re-flash the ECM computer, a camshaft needs to be:

a) Short Duration : 220-222 Degrees @ .050” Maximum

b) Wide Lobe Separation/Centers: 112 to 114 degrees Minimum
Do not attempt to install a camshaft with a 108 lobe separation in a fuel injected engine, unless you are planning to re-program the ECM computer.

There are camshafts that are ground to work within the stock ECM computer parameters. Usually these camshafts have 208/208 degrees duration @.050” (intake/exhaust) and 112 degrees of lobe separation, or 208/214 duration with a 114 L/C

Both of these camshafts would be designed to function in stock CID engines/stock compression and stock computer programming.

However, if the cubic inches of the engine or compression ratio is larger than stock, the camshaft grind needs to grow accordingly and a custom camshaft would be in order.
Also, having the computer re-programmed/re-flashed is recommended with any camshaft change, even the “no hassle/safe” type grinds.

While the camshaft may work with the stock fuel/timing curve programmed into the ECM unit, it will not be working at its optimum level…..Think of it along the lines of taking a performance carburetor out of the box, bolting it onto the engine, hooking up the fuel lines and running it. It may run but without tuning/jetting the carburetor to the engine, it will not work to its full potential.

While we are on this subject, there are some engines that you need to be wary of:

* Late 80’s-Early 90’s 350 Chevrolets with a K engine code and an idle speed of 500 R.P.M. (TBI)
* Early Ford V-8’s with the Speed Density fuel injection.
* Dodge Magnum V-8’s
* Any Fuel Injected application where the customer wants a loud/radical idle.


These engines/computer combinations have very special camshaft grind requirements, so should you run into one of these combinations, it would be best to call the Erson Tech Line (775/246-4062) for a recommendation.
 
Sorry, I should have posted more details.

Car weight is 3,400 lbs
No Smog
Automatic transmission (700R4) with 3.23 rear gear.
2,400 stall (B&M Holeshot)
355 CI
AFR 180 heads good for up to .6 lift
10.25:1 compression
Accel High Flow TPI intake
Hooker Headers with 3" Magnaflow exhaust

This car will spend its life as a weekend warrior with a little track time. I am not worried about running it past 6,000 RPM.
The current cam is fine. However, many have told me that I would be much better with a different cam because the one I have is "old cam technology" This did nto make sense to me, so I jsut thought I would get thoughts from people who actually know what they are talking about.
 
the more modern cam lobe designs have more aggressive ramps resulting in the valve being off the seat longer and more air flow,and in theory have superior materials, the older designs tended to value long term durability as more of an asset during the design,so low spring load rates were preferred and the lobe designs compensated for the lower strength materials, and lower spring load rates used by at least in theory inducing lower stress levels so the cams would last far longer, and be easier on the valve train.
but from what Ive seen several of the newer designs have reached or surpassed the reasonable limits on long term durability, having gone to the extreme edge of useful deceleration rates on the lobe designs, that added to the changes in the oils formulation recently to increase the life of the catalytic converters on emission systems that sacrificed some of the high load wear additives in the oil, and reduction in zinc and phosphates in the oil can and do cause failures.
each manufacturer tends to have a different philosophy, on exactly how much durability is reasonably required in their cam designs.
Ive had the best results from
CRANE,
ERSON,
CROWER,
ISKY

now as to your combo, your current cam is well matched to the rest of your current combo of components, yes you could change to a cam with more duration, but that would require a higher stall converter speed and a 3.73:1 rear gear to take full advantage of the increased duration, and it would kill off a bit of the drive ability in the lower rpm range.

I had the same choice to make in my combo in my corvette, I could (AND DID AT ONE TIME) install a larger cam, but because I use the car 90% of the time for cruising that quickly proved to be " a bit too much of a good thing "
in that I traded a bit more street manors than I personally wanted too to gain some extra upper rpm horsepower, and while the extra hp was definitely there , I didn,t feel in my case the compromise was worth it......the answer was found in my case in adding a WET NITROUS KIT , and swapping back to a slightly milder cam, designed for nitrous, it allowed me to drive with the better street manors of the milder combo yet have the killer massive torque on the rare occasions I wanted more power than the standard combo provided.
installed correctly nitrous is both safe, and amazingly impressive and if tuned correctly its no big strain on a properly set up engine, Its been my experience that 99% of the guys that have problems, with nitrous either used a dry nitrous system,failed to have the ignition or nitrous jets or fuel system set up correctly, failed to use a nitrous controller,or either failed to carefully read or follow detailed instructions during the install process or tune the car correctly.
ID suggest you start with no more than a 100 hp system and jetting and set it up for the first few weeks with settings for a 50hp shot until you get a good grasp on nitrous tuning

BTW WET NITROUS KITS supply BOTH FUEL AND NITROUS to the engine in a fog/mist, so thru the use of jets you control the fuel/nirous ratio, dry nitrous systems flow only nitrous and relies totally on the computer and sensors to add the required fuel increase, to prevent melting pistons etc. the problem is that theres a small delay in time when its working correctly, between the nitrous plume and the fuel being added, which results in temps in the cylinders skyrocketing for an instant......"WHEN IT WORKS" if the sensors and injectors don,t respond almost instantly its like using a oxy-acetylene torch on your rings and pistons

btw you'll need to retard your ignition timing per the kits instructions during nitrous use so having an adjustable ignition advance with a switch connected to the nitrous controller is a great idea



ID strongly suggest you read thru the links and sub links below carefully


viewtopic.php?f=55&t=2372

http://www.ws6.com/mod-13.htm

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=59&p=72&hilit=+nitrous#p72

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/di ... index.html

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=211

very easy to install and good power
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NOS-0 ... mage=large
nos-05151nos_w.jpg


While more complex, to set up and install, but with more hp potential and control over your results, a system with individual foggers for each intake port allows far more precise fuel/air mixture control
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NOS-0 ... mage=large
nos-05088nos_w.jpg



heres free cam selection software to narrow your choices


http://www.compcams.com/Pages/409/camquest-6.aspx

AS your displacement per cylinder increases the effective valve size per cubic inch decreases so you need a slightly tighter LSA and these charts should help.

0607phr_11_z+camshaft_basics+lobe_centerline_angle_determination_chart.jpg


Duration_v_RPM-Range.jpg

CamUsageChart01.jpg

of course you'll want to match the heads you select,
to the intended rpm/power range and application and match the cam timing, compression ratio, and drive train gearing, etc.
so lets discus the current car/truck weight, transmission, tire size, rear gear ratio and what your intended goals and budget limitations are, as a start point.
the last thing you'll want to do is select parts that may cripple or restrict the engine performance by mis-matching components or selecting parts on price alone, we all work on limited budgets,
but its will pay big dividends in power produced too carefully select matched components
and generally the biggest mistake is mis-matching heads, intake and cam combos or scrimping on the quality of the components used,
a couple extra hours or even days spent in detailed of research may prove critical, in fact anything less than buying and reading through several books and reading a couple dozen links and all the sub-links is very likely to leave you missing valuable and critical info youll need later, and thats usually going to cost you wasted time and cash.
the big mistake's most people make is in not selecting the correct cam, to match the displacement and compression and drive train gearing or selecting a restrictive cylinder head or intake that does not match the intended power range

yes it looks over whelming but youll be amazed at the detailed info and the mistakes you can avoid by reading carefully
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/sellecting-cylinder-heads.796/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/semi-fool-proof-cam-sellection.82/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/first-hotrod-build.12902/#post-67005

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ing-a-383-sbc-combo-planing.12168/#post-58778

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/bare-minimum-tools.11026/#post-48785

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/matching-parts-and-a-logical-plan.7722/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/what-to-look-for-in-a-good-engine-combo.9930/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/another-383-build.12786/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/383-information-overload.11137/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/a-383-build.10991/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/impersonator.9600/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-springs-and-setting-up-the-valve-train.181/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/port-speeds-and-area.333/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/valve-seat-angles-and-air-flow.8460/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/tbucket-engine-project-dart-shp.3814/
 
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