Distributor Backlash

Indycars

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It wouldn't be totally necessary to buy the tool shown below in the article. You could do something like
what I did just check the backlash in my new distributor. The way I'm measuring would be dependent on
how far from the distributor shaft centerline you took the reading, but if you always use the same location
it would provide a good reference to see how much wear you are getting over time.

The dial indicator is resting on the spring post, be sure to use the posts that are direct to the shaft and not
after the springs.



Distributor Backlash Tooling

http://www.dynoroomtools.com/Distributor_Gear_Backlash_Tool.html

When you think of all the stack up tolerances in an engine, why does everyone overlook the distributor gear play?
It is one of the most important relationships inside an engine.
Are you chasing spark scatter, or a variation in ignition timing PER CYLINDER? This is what you need to be investigating.
You would not dream of putting a ring and pinion together without checking backlash right?
So why should this be ignored?
Now you can check MEASURE the backlash in a repeatable manner.
Designed to work quickly and accurately... using YOUR distributor.
EASILY check how concentric your CAM GEAR is! (be ready for a surprise!)
Rigid tooling eliminates set-up errors as the dial indicator is always in the same position

*Use this tooling to MONITOR distributor gear wear between races*

Procedure:
1 - Remove cap and rotor
2 - Install Dial Indicator mount plate onto distributor housing
3 - Install Paddle wheel where rotor seats
4 - Turn the motor over by hand until the indicator stem is perpendicular to the first paddle.
5 - Zero indicator
6 - Move paddle back and forth and record the backlash
7 - Turn motor over to next paddle, line up zero on indicator
8 - Move paddle back and forth and record the backlash
9 - Repeat to Step 7 and record backlash in all four spots

The Tooling is available right now for:
295-1515 - MSD (incl 8570 low profile) $175
295-1516 - GM HEI $175

Coming soon for:
295-1517 - Ford
295-1518 - Mallory
295-1519 - Magnetos
AND others

Kits include: Suitable dial indicator mounting bracket, Paddle Wheel and adapters (if necc), Dial Indicator.

That handles the measuring task... now what?

Typical backlash is in the .030-.045+ range! We like to bring that down into the mid teens.

BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REDUCE THE BACKLASH?

AVAILABLE OVERSIZE DISTRIBUTOR GEARS

Chevrolet V8:
Shaft size .500
Bronze (AMPCO 45) .003, .006, .009, .012, .015, .017
Melonized .003, .006, .009, .012, .015
Composite .003, .006, .009

Shaft size .491
Bronze .003, .012
Melonized .003, .012
Composite .003, .006, .009

Chrysler
Bronze .006, .012

Ford .502
Bronze .003, .006, .009, .012

Olds
Bronze .003, .009

PRICING:
Melonized gears
$68.75 each at 1 thru 3 quantity
$53.25 each at quantity of 4 thru 8 (mix and match oversize is OK)
$48.25 (9 - 15)
call for pricing on bulk


 

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GREAT INFO!
and yes I can see where its useful to detect wear faster than other methods,having a repeatable and easily checked value on the ignition drive slack, could be useful. but I generally use a crank trigger ignition on the more precise engine builds to partly eliminate that potential issue! as its indexed directly off the crank damper or in some cases the flywheel
cranksensorig.jpg

crank_trigger_ignition+sensor.jpg

yet I can,t help feeling that its just not super critical, because in over 40 plus years of building and racing engines I have seen guys use timing chains with various amounts of slack, gear drives that require a few thousands of cam to crank gear mesh slack clearance to operate and distributors that were not correctly shimmed and even seen ignition timing that jumped a degree or two during shift points when loads on the engine changed rapidly and according to data-loggers and track experience that slight difference in distributor slack really didn,t seem to effect the resulting power a great deal.
the spark discharge doesn,t occur at a single point it discharges over several degrees of engine rotation and in some ignitions happens multiple times or in a few cases on twin plugs
whats your take on this?

read the linked info
https://www.onedirt.com/tech/engine...fusion-out-of-distributor-gear-compatibility/
if anyone wants a bit more info ,read these related threads

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grumpyvette said:
yet I can,t help feeling that its just not super critical, because in over 40 plus years of building and racing engines I have seen guys use timing chains with various amounts of slack, gear drives that require a few thousands of cam to crank gear mesh slack clearance to operate and distributors that were not correctly shimmed and even seen ignition timing that jumped a degree or two during shift points when loads on the engine changed rapidly and according to data-loggers and track experience that slight difference in distributor slack really didn,t seem to effect the resulting power a great deal.
the spark discharge doesn,t occur at a single point it discharges over several degrees of engine rotation and in some ignitions happens multiple times or in a few cases on twin plugs

whats your take on this?
It's hard to argue with experience, but I'll do my best. :)

If what you are saying about the slack in the gears is always to one side, except during shifts where there is rapid
changes in RPM, then you have a good point. But what about in a road race situation where you are On and Off
the gas every few seconds??? Would that still be the case, maybe, I'm not sure. Just a thought on my part.

I do see where it could save you in the very first hours of operation of a new engine. If you know the backlash before
the first startup, then you can check again after a couple hours operation. You might be able to tell if you have an
incompatibility problem with the gears. If you are showing substantial increase in backlash, then it's best to pull the
distributor and take a Good Look at the two gears and see if there is a failure about to happen. Might save you buying
another camshaft if you don't hurt the gear too badly.

 
Indycars said:
I do see where it could save you in the very first hours of operation of a new engine. If you know the backlash before
the first startup, then you can check again after a couple hours operation. You might be able to tell if you have an
incompatibility problem with the gears. If you are showing substantial increase in backlash, then it's best to pull the
distributor and take a Good Look at the two gears and see if there is a failure about to happen. Might save you buying
another camshaft if you don't hurt the gear too badly.

good point! checking that could save some guys a good deal of grief!
 
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