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When I look over the local guys racing cars its obvious that the current small block fords and chevy LS engines and the use of turbo's,
in the newer car builds, are much more common that the use of the older big block, 392-and 426 hemi, 429-460 ford, 440 dodge wedge, 454 Chevy and 400-455 Pontiac's,
that most Of the guys I grew up with raced.
many of the guys I grew up hanging out with, and helping work on their cars were seriously into building and driving,
Fords,Pontiac, Buick, Plymouth, Chevy, Dodge,and AMC cars.
those fox body mustangs don,t weigh a great deal and the lower weight is a huge advantage in getting to a decent power to weight ratio to compete with the hellcats 707 rated horse power engine,
the real key is access to a structurally, strong & rigid block, forged rotating assembly components,decent internal and valve train geometry, and cylinder heads that flow well.
the fact is that almost any of the larger displacement American V8 engines can produce 1.2-1.5 horse power per cubic inch N/a ,
and 2-3 horse power per cubic inch if your running non-pump octane fuels and turbos or nitrous, but you can,t really change the laws of physics, some engine designs DO have advantages and some have designed in limitations
in the newer car builds, are much more common that the use of the older big block, 392-and 426 hemi, 429-460 ford, 440 dodge wedge, 454 Chevy and 400-455 Pontiac's,
that most Of the guys I grew up with raced.
many of the guys I grew up hanging out with, and helping work on their cars were seriously into building and driving,
Fords,Pontiac, Buick, Plymouth, Chevy, Dodge,and AMC cars.
those fox body mustangs don,t weigh a great deal and the lower weight is a huge advantage in getting to a decent power to weight ratio to compete with the hellcats 707 rated horse power engine,
the real key is access to a structurally, strong & rigid block, forged rotating assembly components,decent internal and valve train geometry, and cylinder heads that flow well.
the fact is that almost any of the larger displacement American V8 engines can produce 1.2-1.5 horse power per cubic inch N/a ,
and 2-3 horse power per cubic inch if your running non-pump octane fuels and turbos or nitrous, but you can,t really change the laws of physics, some engine designs DO have advantages and some have designed in limitations
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87vette81big
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I am the only Die Hard Pontiac guy around left around here Grumpy.
Lately in Chicago too.
Eds 5.0 hit the 8's in 2004.
Ground breaking at the time.
Built the 302 ci V8 ( 306 ci +.030" )
Together .
philly
solid fixture here in the forum
the thing is that you almost have to use a small motor to make 1800+ hp because a big block making that power hits too hard grumpy.. i watched a 2000 hp big block 550+" turbo car nearly shake off 16x33" slicks... lost to a 1500 hp 4th gen fbody with 370" because it had way more traction and was all around a much less violent crazy car to drive.
"the thing is that you almost have to use a small motor to make 1800+ hp because a big block making that power hits too hard grumpy.. i watched a 2000 hp big block 550+" turbo car nearly shake off 16x33" slicks... lost to a 1500 hp 4th gen fbody with 370" because it had way more traction and was all around a much less violent crazy car to drive."
that all comes down to a LACK of properly matched drive train, suspension and frame stiffness/rigidity and tire selection, and ability to apply that power with the correct transmission,
a LENCO TRANSMISSION OR the proper auto trans with lock-up converter
http://www.lencoracing.com/
and a CROWERGLIDE clutch or lock-up converter
you can't logically expect a frame, suspension and drive train designed to operate at under 400 hp and mostly designed with low cost to manufacture, comfortable ride characteristics , and easy installation to have anything like the requirements a 6-7 second drag racing cars suspension built to handle 2000 plus horse power and 5000rpm plus launch rpms with near instant application of well in excess off 1200 ft lbs of torque and 7000rpm shifts
http://www.dragzine.com/tech-storie...s-101-the-resurgence-in-heads-up-drag-racing/
and the proper frame and roll cage, and drive train component selection, a bit of math and engineering skills, would eliminate those issues
that all comes down to a LACK of properly matched drive train, suspension and frame stiffness/rigidity and tire selection, and ability to apply that power with the correct transmission,
a LENCO TRANSMISSION OR the proper auto trans with lock-up converter
http://www.lencoracing.com/
and a CROWERGLIDE clutch or lock-up converter
you can't logically expect a frame, suspension and drive train designed to operate at under 400 hp and mostly designed with low cost to manufacture, comfortable ride characteristics , and easy installation to have anything like the requirements a 6-7 second drag racing cars suspension built to handle 2000 plus horse power and 5000rpm plus launch rpms with near instant application of well in excess off 1200 ft lbs of torque and 7000rpm shifts
http://www.dragzine.com/tech-storie...s-101-the-resurgence-in-heads-up-drag-racing/
and the proper frame and roll cage, and drive train component selection, a bit of math and engineering skills, would eliminate those issues
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87vette81big
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A lot comes down to the clutch or torque converter chosen.
I want to get back on track where we left off last winter Phil.
Turbos and superchargers have come a long ways in the last 4-5 years.
Do a budget plan to 9's & 8's.
Unlimited funds not there.
Others are there Now.
Corvette world as a majority has been left behind.
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87vette81big
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$40,000 Cash required to buy the Drivetrain pictures shown by you Grumpy.
no one in his right mind ever said this was an inexpensive hobby
or that there would not be a constant improvement in the components available to purchase,
nor is there any argument that the cost of the better parts is rather excessive,
and out of the financial reach of most of us!
Id also point out that theres a huge amount of potential cash needed for tools, time and effort required ,
to learn skills and a thriving aftermarket in used race car parts at significant discounts, and occasionally some great deals to be had,
IF you know what your looking for and have a bit of spare cash on hand at the right time and place!
yes the parts shown ARE darn expensive and yes you can make do, with cheaper parts at times in some applications.
or that there would not be a constant improvement in the components available to purchase,
nor is there any argument that the cost of the better parts is rather excessive,
and out of the financial reach of most of us!
Id also point out that theres a huge amount of potential cash needed for tools, time and effort required ,
to learn skills and a thriving aftermarket in used race car parts at significant discounts, and occasionally some great deals to be had,
IF you know what your looking for and have a bit of spare cash on hand at the right time and place!
yes the parts shown ARE darn expensive and yes you can make do, with cheaper parts at times in some applications.
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87vette81big
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That's A Strange Engineering Top Fuel Dragster & Funny Car Rear Differential Grumpy.
Engineered made for 8,500-9,000 Hp on Nitromethane Fuel Hemi Power.
Even Twin Turbo anything we are still Tops 3,000-3,500 Hp.
Engineered made for 8,500-9,000 Hp on Nitromethane Fuel Hemi Power.
Even Twin Turbo anything we are still Tops 3,000-3,500 Hp.
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87vette81big
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Speaking of $ Budgets.....
There is $ 30,000 dollars into my Bud Ed's 5.0 Mustang and he hit the 8's in 2004 at Byron Raceway here in Illinois .
Now a 8.0 second Racecar that is street driven sometimes.
A Ford C4 automatic trans.
A Ford 8.8" Rear used.
Was I a part of the 5.0 Chicago scene ??
You Bet I was.
And I still am.
The 8.8 " Ford Rear diff build guy.
There is $ 30,000 dollars into my Bud Ed's 5.0 Mustang and he hit the 8's in 2004 at Byron Raceway here in Illinois .
Now a 8.0 second Racecar that is street driven sometimes.
A Ford C4 automatic trans.
A Ford 8.8" Rear used.
Was I a part of the 5.0 Chicago scene ??
You Bet I was.
And I still am.
The 8.8 " Ford Rear diff build guy.