Impressions on driving a C5 Vette, vs. other sporty cars

Michael

Active Member
Since this site is heavily Corvette-themed, I figured that I would share some impressions about C5 Corvettes, now that I have a modicum of basis to form first-hand opinion. I have driven them in brief occasions in the past, but only now have I had some extensive seat-time.

So in recent days, I’ve been driving a 2001 Corvette. It’s a base-model coupe with targa-top and six-speed, officially rated at 350 hp. The car was purchased by a friend for a relative, and I’m temporary caretaker while storage space and the logistics of ownership-transfer are sorted out. Since we have been unusually blessed this fall with warm weather in Ohio, I’ve been driving the car to keep it tuned, so to speak.

Other cars as points of reference:

- 1991 Mazda Miata. Gutless, lucky to develop 100 hp at the rear wheels, but very light and nimble.
- Datsun Z, with big-block Chevy (aluminum oval-port heads, fairly healthy mechanical roller cam).. maybe makes 400 hp at the crank, in present state of tune. 2600 lbs, unconscionably crude, loud, ill-tuned and billows smoke from every imaginable aperture (and some that are unimaginable).
- 1996 BMW M3. Officially makes 240 hp (maybe 260 with current bolt-ons), 3.7 rear (up from the stock 3.15 – definitely wakes up the car in street driving)

And the verdict is… unfortunately I’m underwhelmed by the Corvette! Though it weighs about the same as the M3, it feels larger, heavier and more ponderous. The steering is excessively boosted. The clutch isn’t particularly stiff, but still manages to be touchy. Acceleration is OK… great for street-car standards, but not befitting of a supercar. Driving both the Corvette and the BMW at 7/10ths, the Corvette is moderately faster… it would pull away from the M3, but the difference would not be crushing. Maybe at 10/10ths the Corvette would shine, but not with my driving style (and lack of skill!). On the other hand, the Datsun absolutely annihilates the Corvette… pulls harder off the line in 2nd gear than the Corvette pulls in 1st, and it performs an effortlessly rhythmic dance, while the Corvette struggles just to stagger. The Miata and to some extent the Datsun are fun cars even in tight quarters, on driveways and narrow country lanes; the Corvette needs room to roam, and feels unsettled if pushed at low speeds and high steering angles. The Corvette feels like it has plenty of potential, but that potential is hidden beneath a veneer of staid conformity, doubtless marketed to the gentleman who’s arrived and who wishes to impress the ladies… as opposed to the fellow who wants a nimble sports car.

In the ultimate analysis, I prefer… the Miata! Yes, the gutless hairdresser’s car, which would be lucky to run the quarter-mile in 17 seconds. But it’s more refined than the Datsun, without being numb by insulating the driver from the driving experience. It is more nimble, more telepathic than any of the other cars, easier to drive at the limit, providing just the right amount of cues without overwhelming the driver. And most importantly, I don’t worry that bits would fall off, belts would be thrown, the crank would drop out of the sump or I’d leave the differential on the pavement.

Lessons-learned:
1. The fastest car is not necessarily the most fun to drive.
2. Peace of mind is more important than ultimate performance.
3. Low weight is staggeringly important – more important than high hp.
4. A car that’s too precious can’t properly be enjoyed.

When I grow up, I’m going to buy a kit-car that’s under 2000 lbs. Prime candidates are Ariel Atom or Brunton Stalker (it’s a V8 stuffed into a Caterham, formerly a Lotus-7). I’m thinking open-wheels, single-seater, and no doors!
 
Rember, it is a base model. you may find Z06, T1, ect much more responsive. Just a set of shocks n sway bars might do the trick for you. Any of the C4 or newer Vettes can be a very trackable car with minimal tuning. Check out a Track day at a local road course. You might get the bug and start to slide down that slipery slope that leads to a cage and numbers on the door.
 
Ive helped built and driven big block powered datsun Z cars, a great deal depends on the care and thought that went into the frame roll cage suspension rear differential, transmission and engine, it will always be a rather brutal car combo, kind of a poor mans 427 ford cobra clone in some respects, but it certainly need not smoke, leak oil or not be rather nimble with the required care taken in planing and construction.
 
That 2001 Corvette is 10 years old and who knows what condition the engine, steering components and suspension is in. If your going to make a comparison between cars you have to know what you have under the badge
 
x2 on the Ariel Atom.

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And If I can afford that... a Karman Ghia with a Porsche engine in it.
 
The Datsun runs quite well in terms of handling and general road-feel. The roll cage (really a tube chassis) renders it very stiff, with instant response from driver-input to seat-the-pants. It needs new shocks and other suspension treatment, but I can deal with that. The real trouble is poor state of engine tune. That, and the exhaust is just too booming loud. I went through most of Grumpy’s links on engine tuning, read Vizard’s books and the like. So I’m reasonably adroit with a timing gun, but beyond a certain point, there is no substitute for direct personal experience. Around here, most of my car buddies know even less than I do, so all that they can offer is commiseration. At some point I’ll rent a U-haul and will tow the Datsun to Grumpy’s garage in Florida!

But seriously, the Datsun has potential for a race car (more road-race than drag-race, but that was the intent). It however lacks potential as a viable street car. Sure it has two seats, headlights, and all of the widgets necessary for road-legal registration in Ohio. But it is too demanding, too rough for a weak-kneed guy like me to enjoy on a daily basis. The Corvette suffers from the opposite extreme: it’s too soft. Now I definitely prefer a quieter, more subtle car; the Corvette excels in being quiet. The windows work, the horn works, the gauges are useful and I can find a comfortable driving position. So I commend GM for their ergonomic engineering. The problem is that the Corvette, or at least the model that I drove, is to sedate for being a proper sporting car. It’s really a GT car that happens to have two seats and sports-car looks.
 
I would still like to know how you make a judgement on a 10 year old car if you don't know what the condition of the car is. There is a shop close to a shop owned by a friend of mine and the owner has a 2001 vette and I've been in the passenger seat, that vette goes and stops and corners rather well. All he has done is upgraded the shocks and kept everything stock and in perfect shape.
 
It's a personal impression, not an indictment of the brand or a quantitative car review. En route to this purchase, my buddy and I drove several other C5s. This one felt to be the strongest of the bunch. We lack the mechanical knowledge of the leading members of this forum, and can't claim to have made a professional-quality technical inspection. An amateurish but reasonably thorough inspection revealed no flaws in suspension bushings, shocks, alignment or chassis damage.

For me, part of the appeal of a vehicle is how it holds up over the decades and hundreds of thousands of miles. Of course this depends strongly on maintenance history, usage history (racing, highway cruising, short-hop commutes) and the like, so one should not prejudge. Still, I am relating my impression based on driving three unmodified or mildly modified cars (Miata, M3, Vette), and one uniquely modified car (big block Datsun). Before buying my M3, I drove about a dozen candidates of similar vintage; even more in the case of the Miata. After a while, one gets a feeling (albeit still subjective, of course) for what to expect for a "typical condition" example.

In sum, personally I find that losing 1100 lbs of weight is more important than gaining 3X the horsepower.
 
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