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Or what ever they're called, I'm looking to possibly fabricate my own rigging to mount and run motors. I don't want anything big or complicated, perhaps something that can be broken down for storage and light in weight. I have a small collection of good motors left and I'm trying to sell them. Originally they were bought well and as investments but I'm taking a beating because I can't prove they run.
I'm assuming I can make my own cheaper than buying one and I'm itching a bit to build my TIG welding skills. I've seen guys rig some hillbilly looking stuff and I've seen some set-ups on TV I would be afraid to ask how much it costs. Has anybody ever seen drawings or blueprints for something simple but sturdy and I don't need to impress anybody.
 
I have seen a Few Motor Stations or Engine Test Stands for sale on Ebay.
They are expensive to buy Yes Richard.
Better off building your own.
You could use an old GM Fullsize or Midsize car frame. Body off of it.
A junkyard score for $20-50.
The junkyard scrap metal guys are all broke now and have been for the past 7 months. China quit buying the USA Srcap metal.
I see lots of You Tube Videos where guys made thier own Motor Engine Test Stands. And the engines sold because proof was shown in video it ran with no smoke or engine misfire.
 
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-test-run-stand.930/#post-40966

theres a lot of links and sub-links in this thread (above) that will be use-full, and obviously having a decent shop welder and possibly a good metal crosscut or miter saw sure helps
(read through the threads posted below) and having a few friends that previously built engine test stands and seeing the good and bad design features of each ID suggest having a 4 ft wide and 5 foot long 2" box steel base with (4) 8" swivel wheels, a very easily adjustable motor mount that sets the engine as close to the floor as possible, yet still allow headers, starter and battery access , so there's far less tendency for the engine to tip over if you rev the engine , ( a lesson a friend learned the hard way) add a very large radiator with its own electric fan , a 1 gallon fuel tank with a cap that seals and with electric fuel pump and having a 10 lb CO2 fire extinguisher very easily accessed on a bracket on the stand so you have no trouble locating it should something catch fire while testing
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http://www.harborfreight.com/8-inch-cus ... 46819.html
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http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/first-mig-welder.10392/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/useful-mig-weld-info.441/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/does-the-welder-used-really-matter.75/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/mig-or-tig.72/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/looking-for-a-cheap-mig.4732/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/mig-vs-flux-core-welding.1958/
 
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I still have the Big Griffen radiator & Syclone fan in the 1990-96 C4 Fiberglass shroud assembly.
Never did install into my 1987 C4 Corvette.
Perfect for the Engine test stand for my 425 Olds V8.
 
I will add wheels later Grumpy.
They are expensive the heavy duty casters.

Make it low center of gravity.
Oil pan 10-12 inches off the concrete floor.
 
Make sure the engine run stand allows you to easily get the engine lined up on the stand while hanging from your crane. The stand I use is a pain because the frame of the stand interferes with the legs of the cranes. The stand itself was bought used and incomplete. I set it up using junk like the old air cleaner lid and used but good MSD stuff, ignition switch, tach etc. Mostly gets used to break in flat tappet cam engines.

 
You have a good point '70 Bird Man.
I don't want to put a ton of cash $ into the project.
I can have the Olds 425 in my '63 G.P. in just 2 hours.
Real simple yanking out the 403 Olds. Drop the 425 in.

I do have a spare 1963 G.P. Rolling frame.
Wheels on it.
Guy I knew needed to sell and got it cheap for $200.00 about 10 years ago.
Likely best to use it.
 
DIY Engine Break-In Stand - Stand Delivered
Written by Thomas A. DeMauro on January 19, 2011 Contributors: Randall D Allen, Randall D. Allen Three Ways To Build An Engine Break-In Stand And Save Money
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Building or refurbishing an engine is one of the most exciting endeavors a hobbyist can undertake. Whether it's a complete new long-block assembly that you researched and painstakingly blueprinted, or an original '65 389 Tri-Power that you stored from your Great One, there are few things more disappointing than installing an engine in your Pontiac and having to pull it back out when a problem is encountered during break-in. Even for seasoned engine builders, oil leaks and component failure occasionally occurs.

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Performing a specific break-in procedure before you install the engine may save costly headaches, as it serves many purposes, including breaking in the cam, seating the piston rings and testing the powerplant's seals and operation at low speeds. Options for the hobbyist or car club are to either purchase a commercially-available engine break-in stand that will cost $875-$1,250 or build your own for roughly half of that.
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Engine break-in stands have been around a long time, but what works for a relatively light-weight engine, such as a 550-pound small-block Chevrolet, might be marginal for a Pontiac that often tips the scales at around 650-675 pounds. Various designs of break-in stands are available-some are good and others not so much. The converted T-oriented engine stand with an apparatus welded to the front is cheap to produce, but marginal for handling a Pontiac's weight from a strength perspective.

3/30 Since used steel wasn't available, our steel and aluminum products were bought from Commercial Metals Company's facility in Dallas, Texas. A total of 20 feet of the square tubing (PN 6002-0505; retail $50) and 10 feet of the steel plate (PN 6007-0037; retail $29.58) were purchased. Steve DuSold began by placing the square tubing in a chop saw (to be cut on the 2-inch-wide side). He then used a tape measure to mark a 5-foot length, and a square to draw a straight line to mark it.
The engine break-in stand outlined here can be constructed for hundreds of dollars less and is safe. Though labor intensive, it's relatively easy to build. According to Steve DuSold of DuSold Enterprises: "An engine break-in stand is a great tool to have at the shop and has saved our customers hundreds of hours of labor by catching problems in an engine build that would require it to be removed from the car and serviced. As primarily a custom paint and restoration business, we encourage our customers to either have the engine destined for their restoration tested in an engine dyno cell or run on a break-in stand to avoid potential rework. The design of the engine stand outlined here is built specifically for Pontiacs, but it can easily be adapted for other engine brands."

You'll notice plenty of measuring, cutting, and welding in this story. If it looks too intimidating for you to attempt on your own, fear not, as this engine break-in stand will also be made available in kit form. If you know how to weld but would rather not do all the measuring and cutting, you can buy a pre-cut kit from DuSold that you weld together and source the ancillary components (radiator, fan, gauges, and so on). If you're not a welder, you can purchase another kit from DuSold that is already welded-all you have to do is source the ancillary parts and wheels and bolt them all on. Pricing for these kits will be discussed in Part II.

4/30 The base of the stand can be built from either new or used steel. The diagram and legend below indicates the materials and measurements used. However, the motor-mount plates and engine-stand-to-motor-mount plates are not included here, and a steel plate measuring 3/8-inch-thick was used for the ends of the engine bar (E). (The drawing is not to scale-go by the measurements.) <br /><br /> <strong>A</strong> - Side beams, 2x3 square tubing, 60 inches, quantity 2<br /> <strong>B</strong> - Cross beams, 2x3 square tubing, 24 inches, quantity 4<br /> <strong>C</strong> - Wheel mount plates, 6x6 inches, 1/4-inch-thick, quantity 4<br /> <strong>D</strong> - Angled support beams, 2x2 square tubing, 25 inches, quantity 2<br /> <strong>E</strong> - Engine bar, 2x2 square tubing, 10.5 inches, quantity 1<br /> <strong>F</strong> - Motor-mount upright supports, 2x2 square tubing, 10.5 inches, quantity 2<br /> <strong>G</strong> - Upright supports to angled support beams, 2x2 square tubing, 16.75 inches, quantity 2
Follow along as we build the basic architecture of the stand in Part I, finish with the ancillary components, and conclude with the basic procedures to safely break in your engine in Part II.

Tools & Supplies
20-foot, 2x3-inch square tubing, 9-gauge
(3.0 x 3.0 x 0.15625)
24-ft, 2x2-inch square tubing, 3-gauge
(2.0 x 2.0 x 0.250)
10-foot, 1/4x6-inch flat steel, 3-gauge
1-foot, 3/8x2x6-inch flat steel
Swivel casters, steel (qty 4), 4.0 x 2.0
3/8x1.5-inch-long grade 5 bolts, flat washers and nuts (qty 16), swivel steel casters
3/8x2.5-inch-long grade 5 bolts, flat washers and nuts (qty 2), frame motor plate
3/8x2.5-inch-long grade 8 socket head cap screws (qty 2), motor plate to block
7/16x1.0-inch-long grade 5 bolts (qty 4), motor mount plates to engine block
7/16x3.0-inch-long grade 8 socket head cap screws and nuts (qty 2 each), plates between frame and motor-mount plates
Measuring tools (tape measure, caliper(s), square(s), angle gauge)
Drill bits
Welder
Tap set
Wrench and sockets (standard and Allen)
Cutting, grinding ,and filing tools
Marking pen, scribe
C-clamps
Jack (truck, bottle, and so on)
Engine hoist
Grease gun and grease

Conclusion
For hobbyists who would like to build their own break-in stand, it will take a number of weekends and the proper tools to complete the job. Shop equipment such as chopsaws and mills for drilling operations aren't necessary, but be forewarned that cutting and drilling in thick-wall metal is time consuming. In addition, cutting angles and double-checking your work is paramount to success.

29/30 The template was placed on a steel plate, the length was marked, and the cut was made on the bandsaw. The process was repeated on the passenger side.
According to Steve DuSold: "From a welding perspective, only MIG, TIG, or stick-welding will produce the intensity of heat and the penetrating welds necessary for thick-walled steel. Hobbyists who are not experienced welders or don't have the right equipment should ask a friend to complete the project or hire a machine shop and/or welder.

From a build perspective, it took us approximately 15 hours to design and build it to this point, with over half of the labor spent in the cutting and drilling operations." It should take you less time since you won't have to design it, or take notes and photos for a magazine article.

Hang on as the tough part is over. In Part II, the dashboard, radiator, electric fan, battery, and gas-tank subassembly builds are detailed. Once the stand is built, the ancillary components, such as the fuel, ignition, battery cables, wiring for the gauges, and electric fan, will be wrapped up so an engine can be loaded onto it and the procedures outlined to successfully break it in. For safety purposes, we will forego using a water pump-driven fan and rely on a SPAL electric fan for our cooling needs and Sunpro gauges to monitor the engine vitals.

30/30 The individual plates were then bolted in (using the aforementioned Grade 8 bolt and nut) and welded to the motor-mount plates on each side. Once done, the jack was removed and the full weight of the engine was supported by the break-in stand. After sizing up the overall design thus far, we decided that cutting and capping the angled uprights (see lead photo) just above the crossbar and fabricating bolt-in vertical uprights for the dashboard would improve the stand by positioning the dash better for the operator, allowing it to be removable and providing easier access to the back of the engine. We'll cover the details of this upgrade in Part II.
Don't get psyched out of this project because of the detailed labor you see here. As stated in the introduction, there are easier options. If you prefer to avoid the measuring, cutting, and welding, you can buy the aforementioned kit and add your own fuel tank, battery, cooling system, and gauges and still feel like you built something and saved money in the process. Chances are you'll quickly become the most popular guy amongst your local Pontiac friends.

Sources
SPAL USA
Ankeyny, IA
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800-345-0327 FREE
http://www.spalusa.com
DuSold Enterprises
Lewisville, TX 75057
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972-436-5151
www.dusoldenterprises.com
Actron-Sunpro Gauges
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800-228-7667 FREE
www.sunpro.com

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I would like to build a test stand of my own Grumpy. I agree it must be wide base and set low.
Strong and stable enough so you can crack the throttle to 5,000-6,000 rpms and reverse rotation won't flip the entire engine over upside down.
Its the best way to check main bearings without teardown.
Oil pressure must come back to exact same reading as noted before at 2,600 Rpms & @ 4,000 rpms.
425 was a runner before I stored it.
Filled cylinders with oil.
Intake closed off. Exhaust manifolds installed.

The High Performance Pontiac Test stand is Ok.
Don't care for Rear engine block mounting point design.
Take $300-400 of steel to build it there way materials bought new.
If I build it I will Stick weld it. I am a very good AC/DC Stick welder.
And its Fast and very strong deep penetration welding.
Out of Argon CO2 gas right now for my Snap On 120 MIG.
 
That looks like an excellent article.... how much you charging to build one? hehehehe:D
 
An Old Rolling Car Frame is still the Lowest Cost option for me.
Use the Spare 1963 Grand Prix Frame I have.
All 4 wheels are on it.
 
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