new reloading manuals

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Ive got reloading manuals that date back to the late 1960s all the way up to the newer ones, the older ones have far less detailed info and,
some of the listed loads , in older manuals,
and velocities far exceed what's considered safe currently,

I know WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I thought that all the loads listed were safe and occasionally Id load up something using a load a couple grains lower than the max listed loads assuming it was bound to be safe, only to get excessive pressure signs on occasion,
I've noticed that trend of the loading manuals slowly decreasing the max loads listed over the last 20 plus years, and IM sure its due to better measurements of true pressure the loads produce and CORPORATE LAWYERS, getting to stick a bit more caution into the provided loads that get listed ,keep in mind in the past if the rifle didn't blow up and the brass extracted easily it might have been listed as a safe load, today they can actually measure chamber pressures.
but Id point out that on the plus side the powders are getting better and there's no effective difference in the effect on game if that 250 grain bullet leaves the muzzle at 2800fps or 2900fps
Id point out that you really don't need the highest available high velocity loads in any rifle or pistol, a projectile that's moving 100-150 fps slower generally has the same lethal effect, its shot placement and a knowledge of the games anatomy and vital organ placement that's always been the key to rapid lethality, heavier projectiles generally penetrate deeper and more consistently


example
I've used a 340 wby MARK-V bolt action with a 250 grain bullet at 2700-2750 fps
and a browning BLR lever action,
in caliber 358 win that pushes a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps, both I've used on elk,

hit an elk in the similar area and both are rapidly lethal
yes the 340 has a noticeably greater effect on impact, and less drop at longer ranges,
but no elk shrugs off a well placed hit in the vitals from either rifle.
each as advantages, in the thick aspen/conifer and steep canyons the shorter and handy lever action is ideal,
if your watching semi open rolling aspen patches where you might get a 400 yard shot,
the Weatherby MARK-V bolt action and a good bi-pod are very effective/ lethal and accurate tools,
that make precise hits much easier building confidence in a well practiced hunter.


ALWAYS ,ALWAYS CROSS CHECK,
all loads you see on line or in load manuals with at least three ,
and 4-5 different powder and bullet manufacturers manuals,
is much
preferred, totally different source, hand-load manuals,
and if the loads listed on line , or in various sources don't come very close too agreement, with the listed manual load,
ranges in brand and powder charge, there's something wrong.

sure a grain or two may or may not be significant and you'll need to work up to max loads slowly,
but if you see a load in one manual 5% or greater,

than the max load in a separate source be very cautious
I've occasionally seen really erroneous load data posted , and if I was not in the habit of checking against a minimum of three manuals I might have been in serious trouble, but always remember to start low and work up to max loads as on some rifles/hand guns even the manuals are excessive
https://shootersworldpowder.com/wp-content/uploads/shooters-world-manual.pdf
 
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you'll need too occasionally buy a new reloading manual simply because the available powder and projectile selection changes over time, and there are occasional mis-prints , cross checking between several manuals will make that rather obvious, you'll always want to cross check any loads listed from at least THREE different sources and start with the starting level loads and work up to what pressure levels your particular gun works best with, and THIS DOES VARY!
if your only loading for a hunting rifle a good single stage press produces very accurate ammo reasonably cheaply

http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm

https://www.amazon.com/Pet-Loads-Co...ocphy=9012039&hvtargid=pla-570908123905&psc=1


https://www.midwayusa.com/product/513567/rcbs-rock-chucker-supreme-single-stage-press
Its a good Idea to buy projectiles and powder and primers in larger lots or in bulk, so you have enough on hand for several years, of shooting, once you find what a particular gun likes, because the manufacturers have the nasty habit of either discontinuing or changing specs,on projectiles and powders.
once you find a particular combo that shoots consistent one hole hundred yard groups , its really frustrating to find that particular bullet or powders discontinued!
this may sound like it will cost a great deal, but think about it, most guys will seldom shoot a large game hunting rifle more than 100 or so times a year if that, maybe 40-80 over a years time at the range then 4-6 cartridges actually hunting.
if your loading for something like an AR15 buying in bulk lots of 1000 or more lowers the cost of components slightly, and having a decent progressive reloading press makes sense


https://www.dillonprecision.com/customize-reloader.html
https://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/8/pkg_id/9

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/57...tridge-reloading-9th-edition-reloading-manual
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1064217655/lyman-reloading-handbook-49th-edition-reloading-manual
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/537267/speer-reloading-manual-14
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/158738/nosler-reloading-guide-8-reloading-manual
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http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...-Reloading-Manual-2nd-Edition-by-Richard-Lee-
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http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...cluding-Supplements-Number-1-24-By-Ken-Waters
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https://www.google.com/webhp?source...nual+reviews&tbm=shop&spd=6195891438066969302
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as in most things having accurate reference materials helps a great deal
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http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

http://www.nosler.com/load-data/

http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/reloading_manual/

http://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/

http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/


heres a basic powder burn rate chart, refer to the manuals and always verify in at least three and compare the charge and bullet weights listed
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powder relative burn speed chart

https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/#!/

https://www.sierrabullets.com/products/bullets/rifle.cfm

https://www.speer-ammo.com/en/bullets/rifle-bullets

http://www.bergerbullets.com/products/hunting-bullets/

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/dept/reloading/rifle-bullets

https://www.wideners.com/reloading-...308-win-bullets-308-147-grain-fmj-500-reviews

https://www.natchezss.com/reloading/bullets.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/bullets/br?cid=19785

http://palmettostatearmory.com/reloading/bullets.html

http://www.evergladesammo.com/bullets.html

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/dept/reloading/pistol-bullets

https://www.luckygunner.com/reloading-supplies/bullets

http://www.georgia-arms.com/bulk-quantity-ammunition-canned-heat
 
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I read the other day that they changed a lot of the older load data because of the newer testing was more accurate than how they tested in the old days. This may be partly true but I think fear of lawsuits also fit the bill.BTW I am finding differences in load data for a 300 Win. Mag. I have 7 manuals 3 say to use large rifle magnum primers & 4 say use large rifle primers & I can find no load data for the Winchester 147 grain FMJBT bullets I have. Can I just load them to 150 grain specs? This ammo will be to break in the barrel & get the scope close I will load better rounds for dialing in & hunting I have some Nosler 155 g HPBT some Hornaday 165g SST & some Sierra 200g spitzers to load for hunting. What one would be your choice for deer hunting?
 
yes you can generally use the data for a similar bullet from the same manufacturer,thats a few grains heavier , thats almost always safe, as long as its from the same bullet manufacturer
because different manufacturers tend to use different jacket designs and alloys its best to stick with data from the same source and verify across several loading manuals as a cross check

  1. what press are you guys using?
  2. one of my neighbors recently bought about $1200 in used reloading equipment.
  3. and dies for 8 different rifles ,
  4. assorted shell casings, from some guy who was moving out of state for $340,
  5. "used" in this case was nearly meaning less,
  6. the stuff looked almost untouched
  7. the guy said he had "dabbled but lost interest"
  8. and decided to pass the tooling on too anyone who showed interest
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    ($150-$175)

    IF you can find one used in good condition this is the powder scale to get
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    OHAUS Dial O Grain

    https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...-supreme-press

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    generally $250-$350 USED


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    ( list $575, used generally $350-$450)
    http://www.sportshootingsupply.com/s...tallic-II.aspx
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/267665/lyman-mag-25-digital-melting-furnace

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...you-cast-and-hunt-with-bullets-you-made.6802/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...gun-for-hunting-hogs-deer-elk.1864/#post-4879

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/thinking-about-getting-into-reloading.11358/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/bullet-lube.4835/#post-84993

currently available new

Ponsness Warren - Ponsness Warren Metallic II #PNW-METALLICII

#PNW-METALLICII - Ponsness Warren Metallic II
www.sportshootingsupply.com
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is a very good press

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the RCBS BIG MAX A4 press (below) is only available used, but its an excellent reloading press

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these presses have good reviews

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

RCBS Summit Single Stage Reloading Press

Get the ruggedness and stability you need with the RCBS Summit Single Stage Reloading Press. This ammo press accepts bushings for 1 inch die bodies.
www.midsouthshooterssupply.com


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www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

Rock Chucker Supreme Press

Rock Chucker Supreme Press by RCBS RELOADING PRODUCTS With its easy operation, outstanding strength and versatility, a Rock Chucker press is ideal for beginner and pro alike. It can also be upgraded to a progressive press with an optional Piggyback III conversion. Features...
www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

probably the most easily available quality press at a decent price


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https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/reloading-is-it-worth-it-the-frugal-novice-weighs-in/

this is a fairly interesting article running down on a novice view on reloading , but keep in mind the savings on ammo varies a great deal between calibers, and she picks the 9 mm hand gun, which like a 38 spc or 380 auto are some of the least effective calibers to reload for as commercial ammo's cheap and generally comes in 50 or 100 cartridge packs, and easy to find, if your reloads cost $10 a box and commercial costs $14-$16 for 50 its not worth most people's time to reload vs buy the ammo.

but when 20 cartridges cost a good deal more and ammo is hard to locate....
load something like a 416 rigby ,
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/21...rigby-400-grain-dgs-flat-nose-solid-box-of-20

378 wby,
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/21...by-magnum-180-grain-nosler-accubond-box-of-20

or a 45/90 win
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/14...-45-90-wcf-500-grain-lead-flat-nose-box-of-20

and especially if cast bullets are used,
you'll easily save more than 80% over cost of commercial ammo,
if you only get 6 reloads per case and you could easily get double that many, per case, and that includes the cost of tools.
youll be crazy not to reload
 
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