Rust removal

pluslt

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Hey all,

I have a good friend who just gave me his old hauling trailor. Its your basic 5x7 metal job. Its very solid and there is nothing wrong with it at all except it needs some new lights and it is VERY rusty. Wanting to remove all that rust and give it a shot of paint. My question is what is the best method to remove this rust? I currently own both cordless and corded drills. I also have a 15 gaillon 150 psi air compressor but no tools to go with that. I could go several ways in my mind. Wire brushes for the drills, an angle grinder for the air compressor or maybe an electric one.....

So what do you suggest? Please include what to use with the tool (ie sanding discs, wirebrushes etc)

Thanks in advance.

+LT
 
do yourself a huge favor and RENT a professional sand blaster,from a u-rent tool store if you want to do the job in under an hour with little effort, it will take 1/8th the time and effort to do a better job of removing rust and old paint and cost a good deal less than $70 to rent for the day in most areas
naturally youll need an area to use it that you can get sand and paint chips and rust flecks all over the place,and make some noise!
WEAR A BREATHING MASK, THE DUST CAN PERMANENTLY SCREW UP YOUR LUNGS
if youve got a large yard that's an option in most areas,

you can also buy a hobby version reasonably that will do a decent job on small projects (much slower, far less noise, and less mess,) that will work with your compressor, and since this appears to be a small job Id probably just buy the hobby gun and a hundred or so lbs of medium, clean masons sand from home depot is a fair medium and can be far cheaper than aluminum oxide, it also tends to wash into your lawn far better without any problems

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Ive been meaning to find a deal on a sand blaster as it comes in handy occasionally
Ive "made do" with a high pressure washer....

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http://www.lowes.com/pd_600025-24212-65 ... Heavy-duty

a SMALL PARTS BLAST CABINET

http://www.harborfreight.com/abrasive-blast-cabinet-68893.html
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https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/89397301

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https://www.zoro.com/north-by-honeywell-northtm-5500-series-half-mask-kit-l-5501n95l/i/G3970355/
http://www.harborfreight.com/21-oz-hopper-gravity-feed-spot-blaster-gun-95793.html


Ive generally used and strongly suggest you consider using, one or both of these when using angle grinders or while porting heads due to learning from past experiences
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-Safet ... 220499-_-N

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and an effective but pitiably slow hand held toy sand blaster for my air compressor
which only proves you can get the job done with the wrong tools if your persistent enough

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http://www.harborfreight.com/21-oz-hopper-gravity-feed-spot-blaster-gun-95793.html
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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=95793

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the harbor freight blaster and grit may not be near top quality but for little jobs that you don,t do all that often like cleaning years of rust and dirt of a salvage yard differential housing they come in very handy

THERE ARE EFFECTIVE CHEMICAL OPTIONS

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once its clean! spray it with this OR PAINT IT
http://www.eastwood.com/rust-encapsulator-white-15-ounce-aerosol.html

http://www.theruststore.com/Rust-Conver ... 40C10.aspx

the results you get, with a sand blaster are dependent on the amount of air pressure and volume and amount and type of grit and the velocity you can provide.
obviously the tool needs to match the application
if your just removing a bit of surface rust from small parts thats a totally different deal than cleaning boat trailers or car frames or differentials for powder coating or some other much more massive project, Ive got two 60 gallon compressors and both together won,t keep up with a larger sand blaster used constantly.
you can normally rent commercial sand blasters on a daily basis for larger projects but get a good face mask filter and expect a huge mess unless youve got lots of room someplace outdoors to work in a vacant lot or large back yard, btw youll need between 100lbs and several hundred lbs of grit to do a top quality job on an old rusted car frame

basically a toy but good for small stuff, used outside


look over these options and notice the extreme price difference
not bad for minor stuff, used outside

https://www.harborfreight.com/industrial-blast-cabinet-60738.html

small parts in the shop like cleaning brackets,etc.
http://www.harborfreight.com/40-lb-capa ... 93608.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?dir=asc&order=EAScore,f,EAFeatured+Weight,f,Sale+Rank,f&q=sand+blast
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other options
https://www.raptorblaster.com/abrasive-blasting-cabinet-rb4226/

http://www.harborfreight.com/21-oz-hopp ... 95793.html
 
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http://classiccars.about.com/od/res...m_medium=tcg&utm_campaign=zergnet-test-640224

This is not an article about coatings, brush on products or chemical treatments designed to seal oxidized metal surfaces. This is an article about removing heavy rust from classic cars that are about to undergo a complete and thorough restoration. It's time to remove the old body filler repairs and rust from your vintage car and find out how much original metal is actually left to work with.

Getting Serious About the Rust
We've all driven by someone's house and seen a poorly covered classic Chevrolet muscle car patiently waiting for its chance to be reborn through restoration.

The reason these cars sit for years or decades is because the first step is painful and difficult. If you plan to use a media blasting or chemical dipping process, it starts by removing absolutely everything, including the vehicle identification number plate. Stripping the old paint off and finding out what's underneath isn't really a fun do-it-yourself at home project.

Here we're going to talk about two popular methods of separating the remaining original metal from everything else. The goal is to start the restoration project on a strong foundation. Replacing quarter panels and floorboards are often the second step, but first we'll be talking about media blasting and chemical dips in depth. These methods are not for small budgets or the faint of heart, but they can help you stand in the truth of what is left of your vintage automobile.

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/1996-underbody-corrosion.10066/#post-39253

Media Blasting Classic Cars
When people think of media blasting they often think of sand blasting. Today they apply the same principles, but instead of sand there is a wide range of different small grain projectiles to shoot at the body panels and frame.


The age of the automobile, how heavily it's corroded and the thickness of the remaining sheet metal all play a role in determining what kind of media is best for the job.

On automobiles with a strong backbone and those not made out of fiberglass, many body shops choose a product from DuPont called Star Blast.

This looks like sand, but the grain is larger, round and a consistent shape that provides the power without the damage caused by the jagged grains of sand. On automobiles that have more paint to remove than rust, many owners opt for media blasting with Walnut shells. This allows for an even gentler removal process with room for adjustment.

They make ground up walnut shells in course, medium and fine grit to meet the particular needs of the body panels. This is also gentle enough to remove paint from fiberglass for all of the Chevrolet Corvette fans. It's hard to nail down the average cost of a media blast service, because it depends on the length of time invested by the body shop and the amount of materials used. However, using a friend’s repaint project on a 1971 Dodge Charger as an example, they broke out the media blast service as a separate line item costing $900.

Caustic Chemical Dips for Cars
Just like when we talked about the different types of media used in a blasting process, there are different kinds of chemicals a car can be immersed in to remove oxidized metal, paint and old Bondo body repairs. The problems associated with using a caustic chemical or an acid dip is neutralizing the chemical after removing the automobile from the bath. Any residual will be harmful to the remaining sheet metal and damaging to the future paint job.

With that said, this process shouldn't be feared for those reasons. People that have invested in the equipment and the training of their employees to carry out the operation understand the process of neutralizing and flushing. Although the term acid is used as a blanket statement, companies providing this service offer different methods.

Body shops use phosphoric acid, iron phosphate salt solutions and they can even use electrolytic rust removal procedures. This is where they pass an electric current through a bath of electrolyte solution to reverse the rusting process. When discussing the cost of this operation a good rule of thumb is that it will be about twice as expensive as the media blasting process. The upside is you won't have to deal with walnut shells falling out of the rear deck lid every time you pull your folding chair out of the trunk at the car show.


http://classiccars.about.com/od/restorationbasics/ss/GotRust.htm

Rust is a complicated electrochemical process whereby a metal is converted to an oxide whenever it comes in contact with oxygen in the presence of moisture, and that can happen even in the protective custody of your garage. Because of that, the longer you own a car, it’s more than likely that one day you’ll find rust on it.

The standard approach to rust removal has been to sand blast or scrape down to bare metal, prime with a rust-inhibiting primer and then paint.


When we come across rust on our cars or restoration project, we found using rust converters in the form of brush-on liquids to be an attractive alternative.

To show you how well a rust converter can work, we'll demonstrate with this heavily rusted and flaking interior magazine holder we found in our most current restoration of a 1961 Jaguar Mark 2.

flaking rust removed but surface rust remains. The first thing you need to do before applying the rust converter is to remove loose particles of rust and debris with a wire brush, scrapper or rag. You can see that we took the flaky rusted metal down to a smooth surface but left plenty of surface rust. This is important because rust converters depend upon a layer of rust being present to be effective.

Remove any other surface contaminants.
Next, we used a vacuum cleaner to remove fine particles and denatured alcohol as a degreaser; mineral spirits would work as well. This step makes sure that other surface contaminants will not interfere with the reaction of the rust converter on the rusted area. Make sure that the surface dries completely before you apply the converter.



Choose a water based rust converter like Eastwoods or Corroseal that contain two active ingredients; tannic acid and an organic polymer. The tannic acid reacts with iron oxide (rust) and chemically converts it to iron tannate, a dark-colored stable material. The organic polymer (2-Butoxyethanol) provides a protective primer layer. The overall chemical reaction converts rust into a stable, black protective polymeric coating.


Make sure you use gloves and safety glasses in a well ventilated area that is between 50 and 90 degree Fahrenheit during the application process and follow the manufactures instruction. The consistency of most converters is pretty thick and is more easily rolled or brushed on, but it's thin enough to flow into cracks and seams.
Before and after rust converter.
We applied two thin coats to our Jags magazine holder within twenty minutes of each other and all the rust had turned to black. Once it cures for forty eight hours, we'll be able to paint and attach its accessories.

The entire process took about 2 hours and cost less than ten dollars to convert the rust into a paintable, protective, black layer that will seal out moisture and protect this part against any future corrosion.
 
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Have you tried this Product yourself Grumpy ?
I think I have seen EVAPO RUST Mentioned in a Popular Mechanics Article last year 2015 Article.
What is it Phosphic acid ?
I have been using Muratic Acid Full Strength for last year to clean rust off of iron & steel. Its very dangerous to use as you know and I only do it outside 200 feet from the house. I can get away with it because I live outside of town like you.
I have a 455 Pontiac crankshaft out of a 1976 Pontiac Trans Am I would like to try EVAPO Rust on. Sat too long .
A few Olds engines I picked up cheap too. Rusty when I got them. Olds engines have become rare but nowhere near Valuable as BIG BLOCK CHEVY & PONTIAC 455.
 
no I have NOT YET used that product personally, but I know a couple people have locally, and they claim its no more hazardous than white vinegar, yet it seems to work rather well, effectively removing all the rust if a components left submerged for a day or so., in fact I would say it comes rather highly
recommended


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Evapo-Rust™ rust remover is nonhazardous, biodegradable and safe to use on rubber, paint, plastics and other metals. Water-soluble product removes rust in minutes without scrubbing. Made in U.S.A.

Ive worked on hundreds of body repairs and minor body mods on standard cars like chevelles and camaros , GTO, lemans, and road runner's cudas etc.
a plazma cutter and a mig or tig welder and a donor car or at least the matching panels would be a huge help.
one of the few advantages working on corvettes have

is theres no potential for rust on body panels
either smc or fiberglass may have several other problems,
but rust fortunately is not the major issue.

The Corvette began production in 1953. The body panels are made from fiberglass and resin using two basic methods and continuously improved over the years. These methods are referred to as "press molded panels" and "sheet molded composites" or SMC.



Press Molded Panels
Press molded panels were produced from 1953 through the 1972 model year. The fiberglass and resin were hand laid or sometimes sprayed into molds. These molds were then heated and placed under very high pressure. This process resulted in panels having a uniform thickness and finish.

SMC
SMC panels were produced from 1973 to the C6 model. SMC panels were created from heated high pressure molds that compress a mixture of fiberglass, resin and catalyst. This new process created panels that were much smoother than press molded panels, provide tighter tolerances and a superior finish.


Carbon Fiber
Carbon fiber was used on some C6 ZR1 panels. The hood, front spoiler and roof panels were all made using carbon fiber composites. Carbon fiber panels were significantly stronger and lighter than SMC or press molded fiberglass panels. Carbon fiber had a greater tensile and compressive strength than fiberglass at a lower density resulting in stronger panels at lower weights.

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$80 For 5 gallons of EVAPO Rust remover.
I do have lots of parts to clean.
Just have to buy it and try it out.

I miss having that Huge 40-gallon Capacity ultra sonic cleaner at the job last winter.
I cleaned as much as I could Grumpy.
A Nice blast cabinet also to use.

The Lesser engines I have I want to flip.
A few die hard Olds Guys in Chicago .
Keeping Poncho & Chevy & my Olds 425 A engine.
 
Evaporust works good. I get it at Harbor Freight use it on small parts to get the crusty stuff off because I don't have a filter in my bench top blast cabinet. I keep a couple inches of it in a plastic coffee can and keep reusing it till it isn't as effective.
 
Evapo-rust is a great product for rust removal. As long as it is wet it continues to work (no matter how dirty the product looks it's still working. Some use a cheap small fish tank filter and pump or a reptile mister/foggier to keep parts wet). What the label doesn't tell you is that you can dilute their product by as much as 25% with adding distilled water and it will work the same providing the ambient temp isn't below 50 degrees.
 
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I bought 1 gallon of Evaporust at my local O'Reilly parts store afterwork tonight Grumpy.
$19.99 without sales tax.
I will try.it out this weekend.
 
I forgot about you coupon codes.
I have to goback and pickup a Turbo 400 Trans filter.
I will look up myself and give the parts guy the Filter number I want.
 
I have Epavorust in a Christmas Cookie plastic container and my 1965 Olds 425 V8 Crankshaft and Water pump pulleys soaking in it.
The stuff smells like the Navel Jelly Rust remover I used in the 1980's.
Seems to be working the Evaporust .
50 year old surface rust to remove.
Been 1 hour. See some bare steel again.
 
Evaporust is still working away Grumpy.
I moved to a warmer spot in my basement . Checked with my Inferred Pyrometer temp gun. 63 F degrees.
Winter time and its about 32F outside.
Working slow but at least no Toxic Fumes.
Check progress again in the morning .
 
I opened my container of Evaporust & checked on my 1965 Olds 425 Pulleys Grumpy at 7 Am.
Most of the Rust is gone.
There is some Crusty stuff still on the backside of The Waterpump pulley outside rim edge.
About 97 % rust removed and down to Virgin steel.
Amazing there is still some original black 60% Gloss paint left.
Never seen it with all the rust.
Evaporust is removing the paint gradual too.
I am tempted to take my New Milwaukee Fuel M18 Grinder with an Flap abrasive wheel to the remainung rust. But I am resisting and will wait.
 
I believe Evaporust is temperature sensitive.
On the container they recommend 65 F and above usage.
I checked again and I am at 63 F yet.
I may rig up a 100 watt incadescent light bulb in a reflector housing today.
A simple heat lamp shining down.

I rate Evaporust remover pretty good so far.
 
I think the 425 Pulleys are pretty nicely cleaned up Grumpy. I dumped the used Evaporust remover into a 4 gallon wash bucket. Very nasty Black mix.
I was going to dispose but decided to drop in a few Chunks of rusty steel blocks.
Evapo rust is still working removing rust.
The pulleys are soaking in fresh Evaporust. No more rust present.
I did scuff up and remove remaining black paint with my Milwaukee M18 Fuel grinder and a flap wheel.
Sunny out and about 43F.
I think I will paint the Pulleys this afternoon .
Warm them up un my Furnace here 1st.
Paint them before cooling off outside .
Taking pics with my phone.
Post later.
 
Evaporust does work faster when it's warm. Been using it to clean up old McGuard lug nuts this week. Does an amazing job on them.
 
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