Texas Church Shooter, Armed Civilian Security Stops Massacre
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Mark Bradley
Da guy in Newbury
I’m glad someone inside had a firearm and knew how and when to use it in defense of others.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-church-shooting-man-take-out-gunman-west-freeway-church
Id be first in line to say,
thank you for eliminating the mentally defective trash that would willingly shoot up a church congregation
and protecting innocent lives, it should be rather obvious that the few of us that take the effort to concealed carry and train constantly,
are potentially going to prevent or reduce the number of these regrettable occurrences,
where the mental defectives in society would hurt innocent people.
no one can prevent evil, but you can darn sure reduce its effects by resisting and fighting back!
the armed church member stopped that attack in about 6-7 seconds, thats not bad reaction, too and elimination of a surprise threat.
Id be first in line to say,
thank you for eliminating the mentally defective trash that would willingly shoot up a church congregation
and protecting innocent lives, it should be rather obvious that the few of us that take the effort to concealed carry and train constantly,
are potentially going to prevent or reduce the number of these regrettable occurrences,
where the mental defectives in society would hurt innocent people.
no one can prevent evil, but you can darn sure reduce its effects by resisting and fighting back!
the armed church member stopped that attack in about 6-7 seconds, thats not bad reaction, too and elimination of a surprise threat.
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Loves302Chevy
"One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."
Justice served............. finally. Too bad you "need" to bring a gun to church.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/usa-today-op-ed-texas-church-shooting
youve obviously over looked the obvious goal of the writer,
they are frustrated, and bemoaning the result,...
most of the whole congregation failed to be helplessly slaughtered,
as that would have been far better , in the writers eyes ,
as a result .......
especially if your a liberal pushing the confiscate all the guns narrative the liberals mandate!
now heres some responsible and skilled Texan ,
that prefers to protect the congregation.
by being responsible, and skilled with a civilian private concealed handgun,
screwing up the liberal planed gun confiscation narrative...
its hard to demand the total firearm confiscation, when good responsible citizens
prove over and over that we are not the insane gun owners the liberals are all convinced we are.
Originally Posted by elkman30
After watching what I assume is the same video clip the writer referred to, it was obvious that she didn't understand that all of the armed church members seen in the video responded appropriately and with restraint. Only one member fired at the bad guy and took him down. The rest didn't start firing as it didn't appear to be necessary. All of them did a great job!
youve obviously over looked the obvious goal of the writer,
they are frustrated, and bemoaning the result,...
most of the whole congregation failed to be helplessly slaughtered,
as that would have been far better , in the writers eyes ,
as a result .......
especially if your a liberal pushing the confiscate all the guns narrative the liberals mandate!
now heres some responsible and skilled Texan ,
that prefers to protect the congregation.
by being responsible, and skilled with a civilian private concealed handgun,
screwing up the liberal planed gun confiscation narrative...
its hard to demand the total firearm confiscation, when good responsible citizens
prove over and over that we are not the insane gun owners the liberals are all convinced we are.
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was at an indoor range recently, just maintaining my familiarity with several handguns I own,
remember that texas church where a member of the congregation dropped a homicidal nut case in under 6 seconds
with a head shot?
that impressed me!
I was comparing my skills in speed, dexterity, target acquisition and accuracy in fairly rapid target acquisition and fire drills,
I'm a firm believer in only hits count!
I started out at the range at 25 yards,
where I placed a 3" orange dot at 25 yards, due to range regulations rapid repeat fire was not allowed.
Id start with the handgun held pointing at the range floor yards short or the target and a buddy would tap me on the shoulder while he held a stopwatch
and timed the tap, he gave me, until I shot, time delay , we tried to keep in under 2-3 seconds , for a single aimed shot,
but obviously that took repetition to get decent results,
after about 15 minutes of practice results improved noticeably.
and he recorded the hits or distance the bullet hit from the dot center. (yes I shoot revolvers double-action)
what came as a mild surprise to me at least was that the EAA 45 was consistently both very competitive in accuracy and one of the fastest in getting on target,
its comparatively shorter than the others in sight radias and barrel length,but it was very fast and accurate.
now the difference was minimal, but thats because I practice regularly with all those handguns.
the revolver proved to be marginally more accurate, the 10mm glock was close, and the EAA45 whitness was the least accurate but marginally faster
the differences in speed and accuracy were all averages under 1 second average for 10 shots and under 1" in the difference of the groups.
what really opened my eyes was how inconsistent and frankly embarrassingly ineffective I was starting out, as Ive done this repeatedly for decades,
I was cutting the outer edge of the orange dot far more often than the center when I started,
several of my knowledgeable and experienced friends were trying to duplicate what I was doing,
but they had not practiced and did about as expected.
, now I'm certainly NOT a great shot. ,
when I started, most of my rapidly taken shots barely hit the 3" orange dot at 25 yards or were within an inch or so of it...
this improved with practice.
but guys I shoot with that have a little problem consistently hitting a 3" orange dot at 25 yards,they thought they could do better,
if they take their time at shooting, some could, but all of them proved to be far less capable if rushing and were trying to get off a shot in under 3-4 seconds.\
several friends carry glock 9mm pistols with the idea larger magazine capacity is a major advantage,
personally I think only hits count and if you have a high magazine capacity, you can,t miss fast enough to make up for a couple fast well placed shots
If I could do better with a 6 shot 357 mag revolver than a 18 shot 9mm, Id carry the revolver every time.
(Yeah I grabbed the pictures of the pistols off the internet rather than taking pictures of my personal handguns)
but they are very representative of mine
yeah I know some of you guys will be screaming all those guns are to large to carry concealed....
well, ive carried all three at different time over the past 3 decades and I'm fairly large at 6'3" and 255 so I have no issues doing so in inside the waist band or shoulder holsters in the revolvers case, you would be amazed at what a quality holster and a loose shirt will easily conceal
a glock 10mm,
a EAA 45 whitness
the EAA WITNESS is an EXCELLENT VALUE in a REASONABLY PRICED DOUBLE ACTION 45 ACP PISTOL
,a S&W 357 8" revolver
yeah I started the thread to get people thinking about their options and potential responsibilities.
yeah you may not agree with me, thats fine,
but ask yourself if you would rather have a handgun you know has a well documented history of effectively stopping an attack,
or something you selected based mostly on ease of concealment,
and I'd also submit that regular practice,
and good familiarity with what you carry ,
and maintaining constant situational awareness,
goes a long way toward increasing your odds of winning, or ideally totally avoiding a deadly confrontation.
https://www.tierthreetactical.com/1...ats-backed-by-data-and-real-world-experience/
https://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/article/what-do-fbi-statistics-really-say-about-gunfights/
https://lfb.org/fbi-statistics-reveal-a-serious-weak-spot-in-your-tactical-firearms-training/
https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/tactics_training_what_happens_gunfight/138051
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-data-say-about-police-shootings/
https://www.policeone.com/police-pr...here-did-all-the-bullets-go-oggvkU3vFD3KN3TP/
https://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/
the FBI has determined that a pistol or rifle projectile that will consistently exceed at least 12" of penetration, but not exceed about 18" of penetration in ballistic gel to produce the desired results on a human target without having a huge potential for producing external damage well beyond the intended target once it passed through that target.
S&W 1006 10mm
www.youtube.com
personally I've come to see the 357 mag, 10mm and 41 mag as about the ideal compromise in power potential range, accuracy, penetration and accuracy in controllable size and concealable handguns , provided the correct ammos used in a quality handgun of course, in the ideal world you want the ability to rapidly and repeatedly and accurately place your shots out to a reasonable distance, that means excessive recoil is to be avoided, of course your skill and practice level effects your choice and ability to do that.
btw Ive tried a 9mm pistol on feral hogs and a 357 mag and a 10 mm and a 45 acp,
if you do that a few times youll see there does tend to be a difference in effective results
in relation to the cartridge used.
anyone notice that there are very few military pistols with less than a 9mm para in power?
anyone who has ever tried to hunt with a pistol less powerful than a 9 mm para will be very likely to tell you,
why they now don,t do that.
I know from decades of experience hunting hogs and deer with a handgun that a 357 mag is about the minimum,
thats proven successful and a 10mm, 41 mag and 44 mag all have proven to be more effective at anchoring game close to where they were shot.
anyone notice that several states require a minimum cartridge power level or caliber to hunt with a handgun?
theres a reason, and its based on experience.
remember that texas church where a member of the congregation dropped a homicidal nut case in under 6 seconds
with a head shot?
that impressed me!
I was comparing my skills in speed, dexterity, target acquisition and accuracy in fairly rapid target acquisition and fire drills,
I'm a firm believer in only hits count!
I started out at the range at 25 yards,
where I placed a 3" orange dot at 25 yards, due to range regulations rapid repeat fire was not allowed.
Id start with the handgun held pointing at the range floor yards short or the target and a buddy would tap me on the shoulder while he held a stopwatch
and timed the tap, he gave me, until I shot, time delay , we tried to keep in under 2-3 seconds , for a single aimed shot,
but obviously that took repetition to get decent results,
after about 15 minutes of practice results improved noticeably.
and he recorded the hits or distance the bullet hit from the dot center. (yes I shoot revolvers double-action)
what came as a mild surprise to me at least was that the EAA 45 was consistently both very competitive in accuracy and one of the fastest in getting on target,
its comparatively shorter than the others in sight radias and barrel length,but it was very fast and accurate.
now the difference was minimal, but thats because I practice regularly with all those handguns.
the revolver proved to be marginally more accurate, the 10mm glock was close, and the EAA45 whitness was the least accurate but marginally faster
the differences in speed and accuracy were all averages under 1 second average for 10 shots and under 1" in the difference of the groups.
what really opened my eyes was how inconsistent and frankly embarrassingly ineffective I was starting out, as Ive done this repeatedly for decades,
I was cutting the outer edge of the orange dot far more often than the center when I started,
several of my knowledgeable and experienced friends were trying to duplicate what I was doing,
but they had not practiced and did about as expected.
, now I'm certainly NOT a great shot. ,
when I started, most of my rapidly taken shots barely hit the 3" orange dot at 25 yards or were within an inch or so of it...
this improved with practice.
but guys I shoot with that have a little problem consistently hitting a 3" orange dot at 25 yards,they thought they could do better,
if they take their time at shooting, some could, but all of them proved to be far less capable if rushing and were trying to get off a shot in under 3-4 seconds.\
several friends carry glock 9mm pistols with the idea larger magazine capacity is a major advantage,
personally I think only hits count and if you have a high magazine capacity, you can,t miss fast enough to make up for a couple fast well placed shots
If I could do better with a 6 shot 357 mag revolver than a 18 shot 9mm, Id carry the revolver every time.
(Yeah I grabbed the pictures of the pistols off the internet rather than taking pictures of my personal handguns)
but they are very representative of mine
yeah I know some of you guys will be screaming all those guns are to large to carry concealed....
well, ive carried all three at different time over the past 3 decades and I'm fairly large at 6'3" and 255 so I have no issues doing so in inside the waist band or shoulder holsters in the revolvers case, you would be amazed at what a quality holster and a loose shirt will easily conceal
a glock 10mm,
a EAA 45 whitness
the EAA WITNESS is an EXCELLENT VALUE in a REASONABLY PRICED DOUBLE ACTION 45 ACP PISTOL
,a S&W 357 8" revolver
yeah I started the thread to get people thinking about their options and potential responsibilities.
yeah you may not agree with me, thats fine,
but ask yourself if you would rather have a handgun you know has a well documented history of effectively stopping an attack,
or something you selected based mostly on ease of concealment,
and I'd also submit that regular practice,
and good familiarity with what you carry ,
and maintaining constant situational awareness,
goes a long way toward increasing your odds of winning, or ideally totally avoiding a deadly confrontation.
https://www.tierthreetactical.com/1...ats-backed-by-data-and-real-world-experience/
https://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/article/what-do-fbi-statistics-really-say-about-gunfights/
https://lfb.org/fbi-statistics-reveal-a-serious-weak-spot-in-your-tactical-firearms-training/
https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/tactics_training_what_happens_gunfight/138051
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-data-say-about-police-shootings/
https://www.policeone.com/police-pr...here-did-all-the-bullets-go-oggvkU3vFD3KN3TP/
https://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/
the FBI has determined that a pistol or rifle projectile that will consistently exceed at least 12" of penetration, but not exceed about 18" of penetration in ballistic gel to produce the desired results on a human target without having a huge potential for producing external damage well beyond the intended target once it passed through that target.
S&W 1006 10mm
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btw Ive tried a 9mm pistol on feral hogs and a 357 mag and a 10 mm and a 45 acp,
if you do that a few times youll see there does tend to be a difference in effective results
in relation to the cartridge used.
anyone notice that there are very few military pistols with less than a 9mm para in power?
anyone who has ever tried to hunt with a pistol less powerful than a 9 mm para will be very likely to tell you,
why they now don,t do that.
I know from decades of experience hunting hogs and deer with a handgun that a 357 mag is about the minimum,
thats proven successful and a 10mm, 41 mag and 44 mag all have proven to be more effective at anchoring game close to where they were shot.
anyone notice that several states require a minimum cartridge power level or caliber to hunt with a handgun?
theres a reason, and its based on experience.
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