Understanding Synthetic Oils

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I couldn't find any info on here about oils with polyalphaolefin [PAOs]. It's difficult to find hard information about synthetics and what constitutes a synthetic oil.

Does an oil have to have of PAOs to be considered a synthetic oil?
Which motor oils are made with PAOs?


Below is what I DID Find.

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Rea ... ngine-oils

"Can engine oils be formulated from polyalkylene glycols?"

Polyalkylene glycols or PAG base oils are a type of synthetic base stock. While synthetic engine oils are becoming increasingly common, they usually are not formulated with this type of base stock. Most of them are polyalphaolefin or PAO base oils, with some being synthetic blends. Blending of synthetic oils is a precise science and is normally done to aid in the formulation with additives. That’s not to say that PAG oils can’t be made into engine oils.



There have been studies done on using these types of synthetics for all types of automotive lubricants including gear, transmission and crankcase oils. Synthetic oils across the board offer a wide array of benefits in any application. More often than not they have a higher oxidative tolerance so they last longer in service.

In mobile equipment that operates in extreme temperature environments, synthetics work well as they generally have a higher viscosity index. The viscosity index is a measure of how much viscosity changes over a temperature spectrum. The higher the value, the less the viscosity is affected by a change in temperature.

These synthetics have their own unique characteristics that set them apart from other synthetic oils. PAGs have excellent lubricity and a high viscosity index (typically 100 to 200, depending on the formulation). They also have great thermal and oxidative stability. This equates to longer service life and functionality in high-temperature applications.

Along with benefits, there are also drawbacks for any synthetic. These types of synthetics have the dubious reputation of not being miscible with mineral oils. PAG and standard mineral oils do not mix well and form an almost snot-like substance when they come in contact with each other. Not only can they not mix with mineral oils, but certain polymers and paints are also incompatible with these fluids. PAGs can cause the shrinking or swelling of some seal materials, which can lead to leaks and/or allow contamination into the system.

Before putting a PAG oil into any machine (engine, gearbox, hydraulic system, etc.), make sure all the materials are compatible. Likewise, if the system was previously filled with a mineral oil, the system should be flushed to ensure that all the mineral oil is removed to avoid any of the previously mentioned problems.

So while synthetics are becoming more and more widespread, different synthetics are used in different applications. While not traditionally used in engine oils, PAG oils are very common in refrigeration oils, brake fluids and various gear oils. One of the biggest risks when switching from a mineral oil to a synthetic is the incompatibility. This should always be kept in mind.


Just can't get enough of this slippery subject, then read the links below.

Understanding the Differences in Base Oil Groups
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Rea ... oil-groups

How to Distinguish Between Mineral and Synthetic Oils
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Rea ... thetic-oil

When is It Hot Enough for a Synthetic?
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Rea ... -synthetic

When to Switch to a Synthetic Oil
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Rea ... -synthetic


 

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GREAT INFORMATIVE POST!
THANKS I,M SURE IT WILL BE A USEFUL REFERENCE
keep in mind both engine oil temps and trans fluid temps seldom reach operational temps,fluid
and stabilize , for semi consistent data,in under 12-15 minutes of drive time,temps have a huge effect on lubricant viscosity and durability. .



 
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Synthetic oils were originally developed for the Jet Engine Rick.
Late 1940's- 1950's.
There is no harsher & hotter operating temps than inside a Jet turbine.
Nasa did more development with synthetic oils with the Saturn V Rocket engines.in the Apollo space missions.
Smokey Yunick was experimenting with synthetic oils in the mid 1970's.
Modern consumer synthetic oils get thier roots from Formula 1 & Indy car racing programs & research.
A lot of information is still proprietary .
Mobil 1, Casterole GTX, Havoline, Shell, Royal Purple are my top picks.
Casterole GTX SYNTEX is what I have been using lately.
The oil tests are never done a running engine or under racing conditins.
 
Grumpy's Old School Marvel Mystery Oil is Good Stuff.
And Moly lube too.
 
I will watch later this morning Grumpy.
Have to run & buy cleaning supplies.
Go through alot building engines & doing valvejobs.
 
I watched Grumpy.
Nicely made vids.
Not totally new info for us.

We all know oil coolers help.
After Dallas all must be Bullet proof.
An. oil cooler up front is Vulnerable .
Loose oil out of the oil pan sump and your done.
Loosing radiator coolant and the engine will. continue to run for a while.
Up to 10 minutes if lucky.

Still haven't seen tests of engine oils Performance at 300-400 F.
Extreme Endurance .
Only best can do it.
I know what brands can survive 300-400F Running oil temps under full Race RPM Engine Loads.
 
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