got a good laugh, over welder description

grumpyvette

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got a good laugh, over welder description
you tend to get what you pay for, and Im only too aware most of us are not rolling in spare cash so cost is important, but you also don,t want to wast cash on equipment that can,t do the job, better spent on a decent welder, so do some research before writing a check or whipping out the credit card,
read this thread
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=9745&p=36661#p36661
a few years ago my brother-i-law purchased one of these HF flux core mig welders , we tried it for about and hour then returned it, cost at the time was $199
http://www.harborfreight.com/110-amp-22 ... 94164.html
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a good description I saw on a different site was
"it has two settings
(1) too cold nothing sticks well
(2) too hot tends to burn thru then cool and stick then rapidly heat in cycles

I could not stop laughing because that DOES describe what we also found out


he eventually bought one of these
cost at the time was $299
http://www.homedepot.com/buy/plumbing/t ... 41697.html
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it at least functioned, but was not really very useful, and while it welded it left welds that looked like crap

so he sold it and bought one of these,welders posted below, it worked just fine on thin sheet metal like floor pans and fenders once the correct wire and shield gas was connected, in fact it produced rather good welds on floor pans, exhaust pipe repairs, and some fender repairs so less expensive welder can work in some applications
cost at the time was $399
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R ... reId=10051
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but I don,t think hes used it since I bought my mig, granted theres a huge difference in price , but keep in mind there are other welders that fall in between in both price and in capability,
http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... Code=m-mig
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HERES THE MIG I PURCHASED , its not cheap but I got very tired of having tools that would not do the job so I spent a good deal more than I really needed too, but I don,t regret it for a second!
MILLER 252
http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... gory_Code=
FOR MY SHOP, (IT COST $2200) IT HAS AN OPTIONAL KIT THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO MIG ALUMINUM< BUT ITS RATHER EXPENSIVE
(about $1100)
http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... ode=130831
but its a TOP QUALITY MIG THAT WILL HANDLE 95% OF AUTOMOTIVE WELDING IF YOU GET THE OPTIONAL KIT
 
I actually have the HF welder in your top picture.I also had a lot of problems with it when I used the flux core wire.I swithed to solid core wire with gas and it welds very good. I can set it for 20 gauge sheet metal and put a pretty nice bead down.I have also welded 1/4 mild steel on a higher setting on layed down some pretty welds .It has a pretty short duty cycle so you cant weld too long with it without letting it cool down for a bit ,but it works for me.But if I could afford that miller I would be all over it.LOL
 
one of my friends (JACK) got tired of running over to get his little projects welded , he has seen my use my TIG far more than my mig and he asked me a great deal of questions about both my MIG and tig welders , I was fairly sure he was looking into buying a used TIG but he surprised me by calling me up and telling me he found a super deal on a used MIG for $900 which is several hundred dollars less than the new cost, like this one posted below.
but keep in mind the welder cost alone is not going to get you ready to weld, the tanks ,gauges ,welding wire , getting the tanks filled with gas and various tips, guides face shields gloves etc, can easily add $400-$600 more

PAY A GREAT DEAL of ATTENTION TO THE DUTY CYCLE ,when selecting a welder, if for example the Duty cycle is rated at 20% @ 90 AC amps...

the listed DUTY CYCLE is 20% that means, that in any 10 minute time period you can weld for TWO minutes at that amp level, and MUST LET IT COOL 8 Minutes or RISK BURNING IT UP,if used at that amp range, you won,t be using a full 90 amps on sheet metal but you must be aware that the machine can be damaged if over heated thru constant or near continual use, the thicker the metal the higher the AMPS and the longer youll wait for the machine to cool between uses, if you select a machine thats rated well below what you really need for your application, most automotive shops get by with a 180-210 amp for general use and a 140 amp for sheet metal work

http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merch ... ory_Code=M

looking at the specs its obvious that welder should handle most of the common welding jobs


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Millermatic 211 Auto-Set with MVP
Welds material from 24 gauge to 3/8 in thick in a single pass.

Comes complete with:

Power source
6 ft (1.8 m) power cord and MVP plugs
10 ft (3 m) M-10 MIG gun and cable assembly
10 ft (3 m) work cable and clamp
Smith Argon and AR/CO2 mix regulator/flow gauge with hose
Spool of Hobart .030 in (0.8 mm) solid wire
Two contact tips for .030 in (0.8 mm) wire and two contact tips for .035 in (0.9 mm) wire
Dual groove quick-change drive roll for .024 in (0.6 mm) or .030/.035 in (0.8/0.9 mm) wire
Factory-installed gas solenoid valve
Set-up and operation CD
Material thickness gauge (#229 895)

Mild Steel Welding Capability: Min. 24 ga (.8 mm) / Max. 3/8 in (9.5 mm)

Auto-Set: The right settings automatically

Set the wire diameter, a blue light shows that Auto-Set is activated
Dial in the thickness of what you're welding
Start welding with the exact parameters you need!

Features:

Infinite voltage control gives you the flexibility to manually set the machine when welding aluminum, stainless steel, or anytime you want to set your own parameters on mild steel.

Welds thickest material in its class! The Millermatic 211 Auto-Set with MVP has the highest output in its class. It can weld from 24 ga-3/8 in (0.8-9.5 mm) mild steel in a single pass on 230 V.

Spool gun ready out of the box! Finally a reliable and economical way to weld aluminum. Hooked up to a Millermatic 211 Auto-Set with MVP, the new Spoolmate 100 Series spool gun allows you to weld from 18 ga - 3/8 in aluminum.

Smooth-Start patented technology provides a smooth, spatter-free start. It's the best-starting machine in the small MIG machine category. No pop gun starts and virtually no spatter to clean up.

Miller Exclusive! Multi-voltage plug (MVP) allows you to connect to common 120 or 230 V power receptacles without the use of any tools - simply choose the plug that fits the receptacle and connect it to the power cord.

Durable cast aluminum drive system incorporates dual-groove quick-change drive roll and spring-loaded tension arm with calibrated tension knob, all designed to make set up easier and faster.

Miller's exclusive "Tip Saver" short circuit protection shuts down output when tip is shorted to the work. Extends contact tip life and protects internal components from damage. Trigger reset permits quick reset at gun rather than at the machine.

Cable management built into the handle.

Thermal overload protection shuts down unit and activates over temperature light if airflow is blocked or duty cycle is exceeded. Automatically resets when fault is corrected and unit cools.

Uses 4 or 8 in (102 or 203 mm) spools and can be set up to weld with wire sizes .024-.035 in (0.6-0.9 mm) mild/stainless steel and .030-.045 in (0.8-1.2 mm) flux cored.

Light Industrial Applications

* Light Fabrication
* Maintenance and Repair
* Garage/ Body Shop
* Farm/Home

Process:
* MIG (GMAW)
* Flux Cored (FCAW)



Specifications

Input Power
* 230 V, 25 A, 60 Hz, 1-Phase
* 120 V, 20 A, 60 Hz, 1-Phase

Rated Output
* 150 A at 23.5 VDC, 30% duty cycle (230V)
* 90 A at 20 VDC, 20% duty cycle (120V)

Welding Amperage Range
* 30 - 210 Amps

Wire Speed
* 60 - 460 IPM (1.5 - 11.7 m/min)

Net Weight
* 74lb (33.6 kg)

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