matching the engiine combo to the drive train

grumpyvette

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HEY GRUMPYVETTE?

I'm building a mild performance, 9:1 static CR, 350 for my 55 and looking into camshaft choices...I understand the intake closing point (degrees) will affect the dynamic compression ratio (DCR)....My question is what DCR should I be shooting for?


That answer depends on the fuel octane, cylinder head temp. and several other variables but generally 8.0-8.5:1 dynamic works out well if your going to run mid grade pump gas

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READ THIS THREAD!

http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showt ... tid/92966/


heres some differant calculators

http://www.kb-silvolite.com/calc.php?action=comp2

http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php

http://www.smokemup.com/auto_math/compression_ratio.php

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/compre ... sure.shtml
average the results

IDEALLY you would sellect the horsepower goal, and the displacement,youll work with too reach that goal. then the cylinder heads, intake and exhaust are sellected that supply the necessary flow rates,in that rpm band, you pick the cam too match the intended rpm band,and flow rates and power range for the application, you then match the compression ratio, to the cam timing too maintain the correct dynamic compression ratio, and you sellect the matching drive train and gearing to keep the engine IN the matched rpm band the vast majority of the time.
naturally if your limited to a set displacement or compression ratio the other factors must be sellected with those limits in mind

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[color]IM reasonably sure this charts based on a 350-383 chevy or similar size engine, but its a good rought guide on most engines under 400cid displacement on matching the durration to the intended operational rpm band[/color]

In most cases the upper rpm band limit is either limited by valve float with the more comon hydralic lifters, or the auto transmissions shift rpm point,(yes there adjustable in some cases but rarely shift higher than 5500rpm-6000rpm even with a shift kit installed) theres not much point in designing a combo that runs into potentially higher rpms if youll seldom reach, or can,t reach them., the lower rpm limits set by the necessary minimum lower rpm band the cam and compression ratio , and engine displacement will allow the engine to smoothly produce power from.
most performance cams list a MINIMUM converter rpm or cruise rpm

heres your trans gears

2.74 1.57 1.00 0.67

rear gear 3.55:1

tires 27" tall


all the info you need is here

http://www.geocities.com/z_design_studi ... zx_tt.html

viewtopic.php?f=71&t=555


lets look at your particular

plug in your specs to the calculator and links, and look nup your cam specs for the suggested cruise or operational rpm band

heres free cam sellection software

http://www.compcams.com/Camquest/default.asp

btw once you use it to find that approximate lift ,durration and lca, you can buy any companies cams with similar specs.

BTW HINT, with that rear gear and compression ratio , ID STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU stay UNDER 218-220 durration at .050 lift and with a 108-112 LCA

Most auto transmissions are either adjustable,OR PROGRAMABLE in some cases, or there are aftermarket shift kits available too alter the shift points or convert to manual operation, but in most cases youll still find 5500rpm-6000rpm about the max possiable shift point, and frequently you can,t get quite that high with the less expensive kits.
for a street car the shift points are lower so the cam sellected should be milder to match the realistic rpm band thats actually in use!
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch ... &y=13&x=26

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s ... 9_-1_10529
 
The problem with working "BACKWARDS" in your parts selection process, IE matching the cam you select,too the existing static compression ratio, and displacement,etc. too get the intended dynamic compression ratio, is that youll seldom get the ideal cam timing for the engines most effective volumetric efficiency and torque production in the intended rpm band, if your working too match an existing compression ratio, vs building the combo with the idea of matching ALL the components too maximize effiency in a certain rpm range and flow rate, and horse power range.


read thru this thread



look this is not a guessing game (selecting the correct port size)you select and verify the correct port size and cross sectional area,using know calculations, valve diam. and flow rate for the application, verify clearances in the valve train,and that the cam and valve train are compatible for the intended rpm band and stress levels,
you match the cams intended rpm and power band to the displacement and compression ratio,make sure the valve curtain are exceeds the port cross section slightly , select the cam lift and duration to maximize the port flow,potential, select headers designed to operate in the same power band, select a drive train that keeps the engine in that power band most of the time.

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/runnertorquecalc.html

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=322

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1730
 
http://www.tmossporting.com/tabid/1805/Default.aspx

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/runnertorquecalc.html

http://www.compcams.com/Community/Articles/Details.asp?ID=1737510521

http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tablehdc.htm

http://www.malcams.com/legacy/misc/headflow.htm

http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/intake-tech-c.htm

here’s a chart FROM THE BOOK,HOW TO BUILD BIG-INCH CHEVY SMALL BLOCKS with some common cross sectional port sizes
(measured at the smallest part of the ports)
...........................sq inches........port cc
edelbrock performer rpm ....1.43.............170
vortec......................1.66.............170
tfs195......................1.93.............195
afr 180.....................1.93.............180
afr 195.....................1.98.............195
afr 210.....................2.05.............210
dart pro 200................2.06.............200
dart pro 215................2.14.............215
brodix track 1 .............2.30.............221
dart pro 1 230..............2.40.............230
edelbrock 23 high port .....2.53.............238
edelbrock 18 deg............2.71.............266
tfs 18 deg..................2.80.............250

Potential HP based on Airflow (Hot Rod, Jun '99, p74):
Airflow at 28" of water x 0.257 x number of cylinders = potential HP
or required airflow based on HP:
HP / 0.257 / cylinders = required airflow

ITS A COMON MISCONCEPTION,THAT YOU MEASURE PORT CROSS SECTION AT THE PORT ENTERANCE,BUT ITS NOT the port area at the enterance , you need to use in the calcs, ITS the MINIMAL port cross section at the SMALLEST point in the port, usually near the pushrod area.
LIKE a funnel, its not the largest part of the opening but the smallest thats the restriction to flow

SO HOW do you MEASURE THEN??

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=5649
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http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM-900014&N=700+115&autoview=sku

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runner LENGTH and CROSS SECTION plus PLENUM VOLUME (if there is a plenum)effects the intake harmonics and how effectively you can ram tune the intake runner charge to fill the cylinders, and don,t forget exhaust scavaging , compression ratio and cam timing, and valve curtain area,and drive train gearing must match the intended combos effective operational power band

http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/intake-tech.htm

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/runnertorquecalc.html

http://www.bgsoflex.com/intakeln.html

http://www.engr.colostate.edu/~allan/fluids/page7/PipeLength/pipe.html
 
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