High Flow Quiet Exhaust

I never bought my Pontiacs for investments Richard.
It has always been a Love affair with Pontiacs since 1974 .
I was 4 when my Dad bought his New 1974 Pontiac Grand Prix with a Pontiac 350 4bbl .
 
I Love Corvettes about Equal Too.

Also Love Ford Power 5.0 Mustangs.
And I Love Vintage Mopar Muscle.
426 Hemi especially .
 
My mistake for describing my ways with big league investors. We all love our cars, I just don't want to lose my shirt when I want a divorce (from the car) that's all!
 
Down pipes . . . . . . . $135
"X" Kit . . . . . . . . . . .$140. Pypes manufacturing
Builders Kit . . . . . . $480. Summit Racing
2 Turbo Valve muff .$180. Dynomax VT Mufflers

Bal . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$935 Parts Only
Labor . . . . . . . . . .?
 
I need ideas for the tail pipes. Small cars are easier, double outlets center or left and right, slant cut with rolled edges.

But on the S.S. Minnow . . . .?

Straight out the back, behind the rear wheels?
Square, rectangular
Chrome or brushed Stainless Steel?
I need pictures!
 
I will try and get pictures up Saturday .
Too tired from work.
The round trip commute drive to Chicago.
No choice . Nothing going on local here.
Economy Dead.
 
You should have come out here for a few weeks. You could have made a lot in a short time and bring home a bunch of goodies! Economy is roaring here. Can't find one good tech for the plate shop. $28/hr, full paid insurance in as little as 14 days, 1st yr. 14 days vacation - 5 holidays, 5 personal days, and a dozen other perks. Not one (good) prospect in 5 months.
 
Advance Auto beat the pants off of Summit for the DynoMax TV mufflers by nearly 40%. Too bad they don't sell Pypes brand. I don't want to spend nearly $450 for a builders kit just to get over the rear axel and still have a lot of pieces left over. Back to the drawing board.
 
You should have come out here for a few weeks. You could have made a lot in a short time and bring home a bunch of goodies! Economy is roaring here. Can't find one good tech for the plate shop. $28/hr, full paid insurance in as little as 14 days, 1st yr. 14 days vacation - 5 holidays, 5 personal days, and a dozen other perks. Not one (good) prospect in 5 months.
I don't know much about Chrome plating Richard.
But You do. Its your Chrome shop.
I am working in a Performance Race Shop.
Take it as it comes.
An ASE Master Mechanic that can actually do the work like me is hard to find.
Have to remember I am married and have 2 young boys.
Happy with $20-25 an hour.
Mother Ficks here want you to work for Free.
Or below minimum wage.
Flat rate.
Steal your entire paycheck .
And your supposed to be happy.
Fick that shit.
I will drive.
 
I love the
I don't know much about Chrome plating Richard.
But You do. Its your Chrome shop.

Not accurate Brian, I know enough to be a helper on the line, it takes years to know everything (As Curt calls me, I'm just the money man. I do the books then I sweep the floors. I do the contracts, negotiate the commercial bids, then in the shop for balancing chemical equations before I clean the bathroom! My partner knows everything but can't manage or take the stress. Someone in his position makes at least $75/hr. We are looking for his helper @ $28/hr.
I am working in a Performance Race Shop.
Take it as it comes.
An ASE Master Mechanic that can actually do the work like me is hard to find.
Have to remember I am married and have 2 young boys.
Happy with $20-25 an hour.
Mother Ficks here want you to work for Free.
Or below minimum wage.
Flat rate.y.gpp

Steal your entire paycheck .
And your supposed to be happy.qqqq

Fick that shit.

I will drive.

As for the rest I don't have a clue what you're talking about?
 
Grumpy, if I understand you, an X pipe reduces exhaust sound by spiting each pulse into two less powerful pulses, and that two X pipes reduce the sound even further. Could an exhaust system be designed with many X pipe crossings, and no mufflers that would please Officer Friendly?
 
If your looking to reduce noise installing several x-pipes in series, blends and reduces the exhaust pulse strength,yes Im sure it could, if theres enough physical real estate under the car, or truck ,available to allow it to be installed,
but I found a full length 3" exhaust with just two 3" X-pipes mounted as close as you can get them too the header collectors
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x-pipes like this in series and, two 3" inlet and dual outlet ,
mount the mufflers as far back as you can and be sure to have the tail pipes exit past the cars bumper and point back and downward at about a 45 degree exit,
what your trying to accomplish, is basically two goals,
(1) you want to keep the exhaust gas velocity fairly high so its exiting inertia will help scavenge the engines cylinders, on most mild street engines a 2.5" full length exhaust with an (X-PIPE) will be ok, but once you exceed about 370 cubic inches of displacement AND/OR 6000 rpm,
you can usually benefit from the larger and lower restriction of a full 3" exhaust system.

(2)
obviously youll want significant noise reduction , below about 4000 rpm where youll spend more than 90% of the time driving on the street.

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low flow restriction mufflers does a reasonably good job at reducing the sound levels, a 3" inlet and dual 2.25" outlet exhaust muffler design works reasonably well, but do your research as different brands have wildly different flow characteristics. and yes dual 2.25" outlets can flow equally to a single 3" inlet, and remember as the exhaust gases cool volume is reduced
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3" o.d = 2.87" diam. inside--approximately 6.5 sq inches of area
2.75 o.d = 2.62"diam. inside--approximately 5.4 sq inches of area
2.5 o.d = 2.37" diam. inside--approximately 4.4 sq inches of area
2.25 o.d = 2.12" diam. inside--approximately 3.5 sq inches of area


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that adding just two, 3" x-pipes in close series does make a significant difference in noise levels , is well proven, if you could fit 3 that would certainly not hurt.
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GrumpyThe Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer.Staff Member
more numbers for ya'll who like numbers.
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All tests via an independent lab
All tests @ 15” wc

2 “ Straight Pipe 283 CFM
2 ¼ “ Straight Pipe 365 CFM
2 ½ “ Straight Pipe 521 CFM

2 ¼” Typical Bent tailpipe 268 CFM
2 ½” Typical Bent Tailpipe 417 CFM

2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet_ Glass Pack Tips- No Louvers- Smooth 274 CFM
2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet- Glass Pack Tips-Louvered 133 CFM
Same as above set for reverse flow 141 CFM
2 ¼” Cherry Bomb 239 CFM
2 ½” Cherry Bomb 294 CFM

2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Dynomax Super Turbo 278 CFM
2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Ultraflow Bullet 512 CFM
2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Gibson Superflow 267 CFM
2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Flowmaster ( 2 Chamber) 249 CFM
2 ½” Inlet Outlet Flowmaster ( 3 Chamber) 229 CFM
2 ¼” Inlet/Outlet Thrush CVX 260 CFM
2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Maremount Cherry Bomb 298 CFM
2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Hooker Aero Chamber 324 CFM
2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Hooker Max Flow 521 CFM
2 ½” Inlet/Outlet Borla Turbo 373 CFM
2 1/2" Inlet/Outlet Magnaflow 284 CFM

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in the ideal exhaust system youll want to have less than .5
(thats 1/2 a PSI of back pressure) at the engines peak rpm
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http://www.exhaustvideos.com/faq/how-to-calculate-muffler-size-pipe-diameter/


http://www.pontiacstreetperformance.com/psp/exhaust.html

http://www.mk5cortinaestate.co.uk/calculator5.php

http://forums.superchevy.com/super-...-calculate-muffler-size-and-exhaust-pipe-dia/


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/is-backpressure-hurting-your-combo.495/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/x-or-h-pipe.1503/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/calculating-required-exhaust-pipe-size.11552/
 
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In 1966, my father, who was a ford salesman, brought home a 1966 Galaxie 500 7 Litre, which he said had a mufflerless exhaust. It was loud, but legal. Seems they used an H pipe dual exhaust where the pipe diameter changed several times from it's tie in to the manifolds to the exhaust tips.
 
In 1966, my father, who was a ford salesman, brought home a 1966 Galaxie 500 7 Litre, which he said had a mufflerless exhaust. It was loud, but legal. Seems they used an H pipe dual exhaust where the pipe diameter changed several times from it's tie in to the manifolds to the exhaust tips.
Those Ford 427 ci V8's are Legendary Engines.
Nostalgia is still in.
It's a hard engine to find compete today a Ford 427.
 
The 7 Litre used the new (at the time) 428. A few were equipped with the Side Oiler 427s, but the model was brought out to showcase Ford's new 428 engine.
 
In 1966, my father, who was a ford salesman, brought home a 1966 Galaxie 500 7 Litre, which he said had a mufflerless exhaust. It was loud, but legal. Seems they used an H pipe dual exhaust where the pipe diameter changed several times from it's tie in to the manifolds to the exhaust tips.

Damn, why didn't whip out your camera phone and take a photo ???
 
The 7 Litre used the new (at the time) 428. A few were equipped with the Side Oiler 427s, but the model was brought out to showcase Ford's new 428 engine.
Ahh.
I remember reading there were a couple of different 428 engines.
Super Cobra Jet Real Fast.
1 used a special Rochestor Q- jet Quadrajet.
 
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