400ci small block fuellie heads which cams should be used

once in a while

btw I would NEVER reuse the 400 sbc 5.565 rods, they are at least 40 years old,
have been through unknown millions of stress cycles,
and are well known to be a rather weak design,
that was originally designed for a lower to mid rpm torque engine,
intended mostly for pick-up trucks and luxury cars with automatic transmissions.

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you can purchase 5.7" connecting rods that are
easily over twice as strong as the O.E.M. connecting rods used in a stock 400 sbc
for LESS,
than it would cost to rebuild ,resize and add ARP rod bolts to the original rods


below is only one of several dozen options if your building a performance SBC
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sca-25700716

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Grumpy is right (as always) Arjen. Step up to a 5.7" connecting rod and you will have many more choices available to you
and better parts for less cost as a bonus. If you go the floating pin route, you can assemble them yourself also.
Don't spend more $$$ to buy less.
 
You want 5.700 rods if your going to Rev up the 400.

6.0 rods fit. Only want to Use Diamond - Ross - JE pistons for them.
 
you can purchase 5.7" connecting rods that are
easily over twice as strong as the O.E.M. connecting rods used in a stock 400 sbc
for LESS,
than it would cost to rebuild ,resize and add ARP rod bolts to the original rods


below is only one of several dozen options if your building a performance SBC
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sca-25700716

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scat5.7r1.png
 
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so after your fantastic input we have come up with the following parts :

for the conrods:

Brand:SCAT Engine Components

Manufacturer's Part Number:2-ICR5700-7/16

Part Type:Connecting Rods

Product Line:Scat Pro Comp I-Beam Connecting Rods

Summit Racing Part Number:SCA-25700716

UPC:846091011040

Connecting Rod Length Center to Center (in): 5.700 in.

Connecting Rod Beam Style: I-beam

Connecting Rod Material: Forged 4340 steel

Connecting Rod Finish: Polished and shot-peened

Wrist Pin Style: Floating

Clearanced for Stroker: Yes

Cap Retention Style: Cap screw

Connecting Rod Bolt Brand: ARP

Connecting Rod Bolt Diameter: 7/16 in.

Connecting Rod Bolt Material: 8740 chromoly steel

Fastener Yield Strength (psi): 200,000 psi

Connecting Rod Bolt Head Style: 12-point

Rod Journal Diameter (in): 2.100 in.

Big End Bore Diameter (in): 2.2250 in.

Pin End Bore Diameter: 0.927 in.

Big End Width (in): 0.940 in.

for the pistons:

Brand:Speed Pro

Manufacturer's Part Number:H615CP30

Part Type:Pistons

Product Line:Speed-Pro Hypereutectic Pistons

Summit Racing Part Number:SLP-H615CP30

UPC:614046686847

Bore (in): 4.155 in.

Bore (mm): 105.537mm

Piston Style: Dish, with four valve reliefs

Piston Material: Hypereutectic aluminum

Compression Distance (in): 1.425 in.

Piston Head Volume (cc): +12.50cc

Wrist Pin Style: Press-fit or floating

Wrist Pin Included: Yes

Pin Diameter (in): 0.928 in.

Piston Ring Thickness: 5/64 in. x 5/64 in. x 3/16 in.

Piston Rings Included: No

we are getting exited over here!!!
and then you start asking the students questions like:
why can't the dynamic comp ratio be to high and how can we solve certain issues with it, like ignition, leaner or richer mixture,....
all great fun,
thx again chaps, its greatly apreceated
 

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Things you new to consider before buying.

Your DCR is very low at 6.65, should be shooting for ~ 8.0
Your quench distance is too larger at .074 inches, should be .040 to .045 inches
Your deck height at 0.031 ... is this what you actually measured. Normal is .025 inches.

- You could use a piston with the normal flat top and 4 valve reliefs. Volume of 7cc. More expensive at $340
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/uem-kb125-030/overview/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/uem-kb139-030/overview/

You could do something like the following:

- A gasket that is thinner at .021 inches
- Piston Head Volume = 7cc
- A deck height of .025 (This reduces the quench to 0.046 inches, or you could deck the block to between
0.0 - 0.025 and use a more commonly available head gasket.)
- Install cam per Edelbrock's suggested 5° advanced
- See engine #3 below.

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thats helpful and useful info, he can use!
thanks RICK!

btw theres a good deal of info in these threads that will be similar to and useful with a 400 build,
we try hard to give you all the info required to avoid problems,
and have an exceptional engine...
but it takes a bit of reading..asking questions,
and not skipping sub links


http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-the-rabbit-hole-with-alice.10933/#post-66925


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/bits-of-383-info.38/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/tbucket-engine-project-dart-shp.3814/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/what-to-look-for-in-a-good-engine-combo.9930/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/383-information-overload.11137/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/forged-or-not.13226/#post-69018

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/snap-ring-pliers.11029/#post-48839

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/piston-related-info.110/#post-31943

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/piston-suppliers.2208/#post-19329

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/piston-coating-deburring.4516/#post-16280

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/interesting-406-sbc.10152/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/406-dyno.9530/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ectly-and-get-it-to-last-cam-install-info.90/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/valve-train-clearances-and-problems.528/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-springs-and-setting-up-the-valve-train.181/

READ THESE THREAD's
and don,t skip the sub linked info
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-balancing.3900/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-balancing.3900/#post-57940

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...t-don-t-destroy-your-budget.10958/#post-48174

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...g-and-installing-connecting-rods-pistons.247/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-rods-from-pressed-to-full-float-pins.6909/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-piston-pin-height-compression-height.5064/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...tion-of-crank-durring-short-blk-assembly.852/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/balance-damper-question.10462/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-and-basic-piston-ring-info-youll-need.509/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/piston-to-bore-clearance.4630/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...guess-on-clearances-and-journal-surface.9955/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/obtaining-desired-clearances.4324/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-block-cylinder-wall-thickness.976/
 
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Right.

Just bought 3 sets of pistons as well , (thank you rick!)
5.7" Long conrods
The above mentionned camshaft.
I have ordered all the piston types previously mentioned as well .
This to be used as didactic material when the students have to defend their final work at uni later next month.

More to come

Arjen
 
University...
And 3 sets.
If the engine is " to hot" for road use ( we aren't holligans) then there is place for something a bit slower....
More to come
 
The pistons I suggested will have less tendency for detonation, since the piston has a larger flat
surface that matches the head giving more turbulence.
 
Yep and that's not all of it.
Been asking my students what else influences detonation....
They still got to do a lot off research....
I am sure they can all find it here.
And that's what I told them....
But they are still young and stubern....
 
have the students register and ask questions if they need too!

don,t get over whelmed, make a list and test adjust correct or replace each problem,
and check it off the list then move to the next issue,
its a finite list and theres not a damn thing on it you can,t accomplish,
with a bit of research, a few questions and this web-sites help
(a few tools the right attitude and a thick stack of cash would also be useful of course):D:rolleyes:
detonation related


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if your experiencing detonation issues that are cured by swapping to higher octane rated fuel, and you would prefer to use the lower octane , less expensive fuel, you should adjust your cars ignition advance combination , so that its advance curve has either less initial timing, or delaying the mechanical advance vs. rpm with some stiffer springs, or a combination of both might reduce the pinging under load at 2500-3500 rpm where its most commonly seen,. Does this detonation or pinging, only occur at WOT? If not, limiting the vacuum advance with a stop, or using an adjustable vacuum advance unit and raising the amount of vacuum required vs. the amount of vacuum advance might be warranted also and installing a lower temp rated t-stat and adjusting the engine fuel/air ratio a bit richer may also help..

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ow-to-reduce-its-likely-hood.9816/#post-40651

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/detonation-damage.2883/#post-31942

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...temps-detonation-resistance.12842/#post-66647

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/build-a-knock-detector.14441/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/dynamic-vs-static-compression.727/#post-7096

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/what-kills-o2-sensors.3049/#post-51439

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/unwanted-engine-bay-heat.12186/#post-59087

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/the-knock-sensor-and-how-it-works.5372/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-octane-for-compression-ratio.2718/#post-7057

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...knock-sensor-and-related-info.3515/#post-9266

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/timing-v-a-f-ratio.5034/#post-14217

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/air-fuel-meters-and-tuning.268/#post-18465
 
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Been going on to them about for ages...
They do read a lot of it though!
And I keep asking them questions about what the difference is between all the parts suggested and the consequences..
But they are young....
 
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well, any more changes? the project has a good deal of potential,
I'm looking forward to see how its all coming together and helping avoid
& fixing potential issues that always tend to come up, in any build.
as with most engine builds its the attention to the seemingly minor details, that get put into the process, that all add up and combined result in a above average result.

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/porting-can-help.462/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/port-speeds-and-area.333/#post-72826

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...olishing-combustion-chambers.2630/#post-13145

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/ccing-my-heads.14187/#post-71987

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-by-step-guide-with-pictures.5378/#post-71848

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...needs-clean-up-equalization.12474/#post-62647

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ing-tools-abrasives-sources.10683/#post-46209

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...at-angles-and-air-flow.8460/page-2#post-32923

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...orting-tips-by-smokey-yunick.4222/#post-11120

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/multi-angle-valve-job-related.3143/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/valve-train-clearances-and-problems.528/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-steam-holes-posted-by-dennyw.2991/#post-7851

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...cking-blocks-heads-for-cracks.3363/#post-8862

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/how-to-lap-valve-seats.1159/#post-2362

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-springs-and-setting-up-the-valve-train.181/
 
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3/4 quarters of the older guys , on most web sites, (this one also)
either don,t have a face book page ,
and/or are totally clueless how to find those pictures if you don,t post a direct link.
yeah! I,m well aware most 7 -8 year olds live on facebook,
but most of my generation, and a bunch more people than you may imagine,
have not and probably won,t bother learning how.
 
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