Compressor Installation and Piping

[mathd]

What part of posting pictures do you need help with....getting them
from the camera to the computer maybe??? Now quit digging in with
your fingernails.....come along now, the 21st century is not that scary!

hahahaha
yeah its soo easy to upload picture now using site like photobucket. you just drag and drop and click - past the link into a post.

 

[busterrm]

hell, why do that, just upload attachment like indycars taught me on my last visit to his place. that way grumpy's site keeps the picture.

 

[mathd]

hell, why do that, just upload attachment like indycars taught me on my last visit to his place. that way grumpy's site keeps the picture.

yes but this way it take more disk space and server bandwich

 

[busterrm]

Here are a few I took over the weekend, when my neighbors and I built a bench to sit on when we drink "Apple Jack", its made entirely from scrap.

That's Bill sitting on the bench, one of the local conspirators. The little table in front of the bench is a made from a spool I got at work, entirely from scrap also, there are holes in the middle of the round pieces that have bent wire I welded at work to hold our "Apple Jack" bottles.

Okay, I am known as "Crazy Bob" Bill on the other hand got a new name saturday night, after numerus "Apple Jacks", Bill said he wasn't drunk, but about five minutes later with some slur in his speech, Bill exclaims, " I am going to buy a Spider Monkey!" Okay, Bill your not drunk, but where the hell did the spider monkey come from? The next morning, both of us have a hangover "Jack Over", in this case, Bill says he knows nothing about talk of a spider monkey. So when Bill was getting coffee, Moody(other conspirator) and I grabbed a piece of scrap from the bench and gave Bill a new nickname. Thats where this sign that hangs above the bench came from.

 

[Indycars]

Okay, I am known as "Crazy Bob" Bill on the other hand got a new name saturday night, after numerus "Apple Jacks", Bill said he wasn't drunk, but about five minutes later with some slur in his speech, Bill exclaims, " I am going to buy a Spider Monkey!" Okay, Bill your not drunk, but where the hell did the spider monkey come from? The next morning, both of us have a hangover "Jack Over", in this case, Bill says he knows nothing about talk of a spider monkey. So when Bill was getting coffee, Moody(other conspirator) and I grabbed a piece of scrap from the bench and gave Bill a new nickname. Thats where this sign that hangs above the bench came from.

I didn't realize it was so easy to entertain little minds by building a bench and calling each other names! :lol:

 

[Indycars]

Next I ran the cooler output to Franzinator input, so I pulled the compressor
out since it was not involved.



Eventually I needed to braze the tubing in place, so I hung a wet wash rag
to keep the heat of the sheetrock.



Went ahead and used a "1/2 Inch Split Ring" standoff to stabilize the 1/2"
copper tubing. It would not be accessible after the compressor is pushed
back into place.

 

[Indycars]

I finished the copper piping for the intercooler. Before I took the original
piping off I took some temperature measurements with my IR Gun. Then
with the cooler in place I took the same measurements plus temps across
the cooler.

Looks like the cooler is a restriction to the flow of air, since the temperature
at the pump output are much higher. Any ideas besides throwing more money
at it for another cooler to connect in parallel ??? Wish there was some easy
way to measure the pressure drop across the cooler.

Would like to add a fan to drop temps even further. I only have about 15 inches
in height for the fan.

 

[mathd]

I think your air compressor is too close to the wall.
I dont remember but in my instruction ithink they said 2 feet away from anything all around, i would try and set it more in the open.
I think all this setup is overkill, use long copper tubing and a water separator thats what people are doing since forever.

 

[grumpyvette]

the results you posted show the air temps and that says you did a great job!
your pictures show a well planed and well executed instal, something I tend to have problems doing at times, but Im working on it!

 

[Indycars]

1 - I think your air compressor is too close to the wall.
I dont remember but in my instruction ithink they said 2 feet away from anything all around, i would try and set it more in the open.
2 - I think all this setup is overkill, use long copper tubing and a water separator thats what people are doing since forever.

1 - You are right it is too close to the wall, but I don't have much choice. It sticks out beyond the shelves a couple of inches now.

2 - Overkill......exactly as I planned then !

 

[mathd]

1 - I think your air compressor is too close to the wall.
I dont remember but in my instruction ithink they said 2 feet away from anything all around, i would try and set it more in the open.
2 - I think all this setup is overkill, use long copper tubing and a water separator thats what people are doing since forever.

1 - You are right it is too close to the wall, but I don't have much choice. It sticks out beyond the shelves a couple of inches now.

2 - Overkill......exactly as I planned then !

yeah, too much is just enough
But dont you worry about the increased temp at the head/valve area for the longevity of your compressor or it is still at a safe operating temperature?
What is causing the increase in temp at the head? the longer tubing creating restriction(if any) or the increase in volume(probably too small to make a difference) that should affect only the initial compressor fill? am just curious.
And what is a safe compressor head temp? i gotta check mine next time it get in use .

 

[Indycars]

the results you posted show the air temps and that says you did a great job!
your pictures show a well planed and well executed instal, something I tend to have problems doing at times, but Im working on it!

Thanks Grumpy !!!

What do you think about the output temps from the pump being so much
higher with the cooler??? Trying to decide if it makes sense if the cooler
is a restriction to air flow. I may put the original line back on and record
the time it takes to pump from 50 psi to shutoff at 125 psi.

 

[grumpyvette]

yes I think its restricting air flow resulting in the pressure increase and resulting temp increase, adding a second cooler radiator in parallel, to reduce the restriction should cure that, I found the same thing with my set-up, so I have several air conditioner evaporator radiators, fed from and feeding into a common manifold so each flows a fraction of the total air flowing thru the system.
the only problem I found was that most of the used radiators were slightly different size and condition, making setting up several feeding from and into the same common manifolds a bit more difficult

 

[Indycars]

I've been dealing with 1/2" copper tubing and it's 5/8" OD and requires 5/8"
flare nut and 5/8" x 1/2" MIP(LFA-370 Watts). Don't even get me started
talking about 3/4" copper. I waited 4-5 days for 2 flare nuts for 3/4" copper
tubing that was too big for the threads.....and they were $10 each, but I
returned them.

I also bought a Devilbiss filter/regulator
http://www.autorefinishdevilbiss.com/Di ... rUnit.aspx
and now I find out it has 1/4" NPSM thread coming out of
the regulator....WTF is NPSM thread and how do I connect
that to my airline quick disconnects ?????????

 

[Indycars]

And another thing while I'm still pissed .....I went to the plumbing side of
Locke Supply wanting some 1/2" and 3/4" long radius copper elbows. Well
I have to go down to the other side of the building to HVAC to get that.
BTW the HVAC guy go by the OD and plumbing guys go by the ID......so
when you get there you don't want 1/2 and 3/4" elbows, you want 5/8"
and 7/8" long radius elbows.

 

[busterrm]

And another thing while I'm still pissed .....I went to the plumbing side of
Locke Supply wanting some 1/2" and 3/4" long radius copper elbows. Well
I have to go down to the other side of the building to HVAC to get that.
BTW the HVAC guy go by the OD and plumbing guys go by the ID......so
when you get there you don't want 1/2 and 3/4" elbows, you want 5/8"
and 7/8" long radius elbows.

Hey Rick, I bet your just as pissed as I was when the speedway tech told me it was my fault I bought the wrong timing set for my OE roller cam. Then I figure out its gonna cost me about 95 bucks for the thing, I was pissed. It reminds me when I was in my 20's , I had a old motorcycle gas tank, and I would take a few swings at it with my bare knuckles, yes I had anger issues back then. Calloused knuckles and a bent up gas tank!

 

[Indycars]

I don't have anger issues like you, I'm just PO'ed!

Dont worry, I will be normal tomorrow.

 

[grumpyvette]

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Dont worry, I will be normal tomorrow.

Ill wait and see............I think that expectation, is assuming a great deal for most of us gear heads :mrgreen:
according to my wife Ive never been "NORMAL"

 

[87vette81big]

I see we all have the same old school of thought and perhaps behavioral problems....
Some may call it anger issues.
I just call it venting.
Smart people will walk away and come by to visit later in the day or tomarrow.
Projects at home seldom go as planned.
Just have to work around and overcome.

Your new air compressor Rick is looking Good.
Your efforts will be worth it.

Brian

 

[mathd]

was in the truck yesterday and i heard this song and instantly think about rick's signature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEhMjZGJQ-Y