I have been offered a trade, the other guy has this. Is this a good intelligent set up and is it worth at least $7K?
462ci
Please read carefully. For $7000 you are getting the LONG BLOCK, not including some accessories you'll see in the pics.
Newly built boosted Pontiac 462ci engine. It was built to run on 91 octane pump fuel. The goal was multi-faceted. Build a high HP engine with better street manners than your average 750hp build while being reliable enough and quiet enough to drive 2 hours to the beach while enjoying the stereo, AC, power brakes. This engine was carefully built by a machinist who regularly works with boosted applications, and a mechanic who has raced Pontiacs in the family for decades. Every clearance was checked and double checked, from bearings to rocker arm geometry.
This engine in its previous configuration made 1064 hp at 15 psi. That was with iron 6x heads, a smaller and less efficient turbo and a smaller more restrictive exhaust. Now it will breathe and boost better.
462 ci complete engine boost ready. 1.5 hrs on break in stand, have videos. In storage for the last year. Complete 462 long block built for boost. Broken in already on break in stand with Brad Penn break in oil and single springs to break in cam carefully.
$7000
-Block 2 bolt main, interior valley area smoothed. Exterior smoothed, then painted base/clear coat House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey. Distributor plug drilled .020 for oiling
-ARP studs/bolts throughout
-Nodular crank polished
-Arias dished pistons
-Bill Miller aluminum rods
---everything carefully checked, and rotating assembly balanced by a competent machinist
-E-heads flowing 300 cfm on intake at .600 Exterior of heads have been polished, external oil drain at rear of heads to return oil to pan.
-Comp Cams solid lifter cam .518 lift after lash on intake, 516 on exhaust. This cam was purposefully chosen as an almost identical one in the engine's last life made peak torque at 4800 rpm and peak HP at 5500 rpm. The only real change was previously we used 1.5 rockers, and the cam had a drop more lift. To make the valvetrain super reliable we chose 1.65 rockers this time and dropped cam lift for the same overall lift. The springs and valves can take up to approximately 5.90 lift, but we didn't see the need. Cam degreed.
-Comp cams 800-16 solid lifters w/EDM oil hole (called cool face)
-Butlers 5/16 x .116 wall 4130 pushrods at 9.60 length
-Scorpion 1.65 roller rockers
-Lunati 73100 springs
-Stud girdle
-Valve cover spacers (base/clear coated House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey)
-Timing cover stock but smoothed of casting flash (base/clear coated House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey)
-MSD billet vacuum advance distributor
-All Pontiac aluminum valley pan (base/clear coated House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey)
-Precision Oil Pumps 80 psi Race series pump (Just like Butler's top blueprinted pump)
-Polished Northwind intake manifold
-mini starter (trying to remember which one)
(- KEEPING THE OIL PAN NOW. YOU WILL NEED TO SUPPLY YOUR OWN PAN.)
(-KEEPING THE VALVE COVERS, you'll need your own.)
(KEEPING THE MARCH SERPENTINE SETUP)
OPTIONS to add on or substitute*
If you prefer to go the fuel injected route we have a Super Victor 4500 style intake and a set of fuel rails brand new
Forward facing turbo headers for any of the following: 2nd gen F body, 2nd gen A body, or first gen A body. These can actually be had in either O or D port, mild steel with V bands
Polished Garrett 4788 T6 turbo
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You can buy Butlers 461-501 cubic inch engine for $13,000. They say up to 650 hp, and 625 ft lbs torque. But it's extra to get up toward the 501ci range and the 650 hp mark because that requires the forged crank, which is an upgrade.
The Butlers are great people. I don't claim to know them well, but have spoken with David and Jim Butler at length, and they sell good products and give great customer service. In fact, I discussed several choices I made on thi than theirs. You could buy one of those engines and have it built for boost. Only it will cost you $6000 more, and it WON'T have the following:
the E-heads ported. They'll be stock E-heads.
The heads WON'T be plumbed for oil return.
You WON'T get the stud girdles.
Not that its worth anything in the power dept but the Northwind intake and E-heads have been hand polished. Mirror polishing would do that for you though...if you want to spend
462ci
Please read carefully. For $7000 you are getting the LONG BLOCK, not including some accessories you'll see in the pics.
Newly built boosted Pontiac 462ci engine. It was built to run on 91 octane pump fuel. The goal was multi-faceted. Build a high HP engine with better street manners than your average 750hp build while being reliable enough and quiet enough to drive 2 hours to the beach while enjoying the stereo, AC, power brakes. This engine was carefully built by a machinist who regularly works with boosted applications, and a mechanic who has raced Pontiacs in the family for decades. Every clearance was checked and double checked, from bearings to rocker arm geometry.
This engine in its previous configuration made 1064 hp at 15 psi. That was with iron 6x heads, a smaller and less efficient turbo and a smaller more restrictive exhaust. Now it will breathe and boost better.
462 ci complete engine boost ready. 1.5 hrs on break in stand, have videos. In storage for the last year. Complete 462 long block built for boost. Broken in already on break in stand with Brad Penn break in oil and single springs to break in cam carefully.
$7000
-Block 2 bolt main, interior valley area smoothed. Exterior smoothed, then painted base/clear coat House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey. Distributor plug drilled .020 for oiling
-ARP studs/bolts throughout
-Nodular crank polished
-Arias dished pistons
-Bill Miller aluminum rods
---everything carefully checked, and rotating assembly balanced by a competent machinist
-E-heads flowing 300 cfm on intake at .600 Exterior of heads have been polished, external oil drain at rear of heads to return oil to pan.
-Comp Cams solid lifter cam .518 lift after lash on intake, 516 on exhaust. This cam was purposefully chosen as an almost identical one in the engine's last life made peak torque at 4800 rpm and peak HP at 5500 rpm. The only real change was previously we used 1.5 rockers, and the cam had a drop more lift. To make the valvetrain super reliable we chose 1.65 rockers this time and dropped cam lift for the same overall lift. The springs and valves can take up to approximately 5.90 lift, but we didn't see the need. Cam degreed.
-Comp cams 800-16 solid lifters w/EDM oil hole (called cool face)
-Butlers 5/16 x .116 wall 4130 pushrods at 9.60 length
-Scorpion 1.65 roller rockers
-Lunati 73100 springs
-Stud girdle
-Valve cover spacers (base/clear coated House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey)
-Timing cover stock but smoothed of casting flash (base/clear coated House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey)
-MSD billet vacuum advance distributor
-All Pontiac aluminum valley pan (base/clear coated House Of Kolor Galaxy Grey)
-Precision Oil Pumps 80 psi Race series pump (Just like Butler's top blueprinted pump)
-Polished Northwind intake manifold
-mini starter (trying to remember which one)
(- KEEPING THE OIL PAN NOW. YOU WILL NEED TO SUPPLY YOUR OWN PAN.)
(-KEEPING THE VALVE COVERS, you'll need your own.)
(KEEPING THE MARCH SERPENTINE SETUP)
OPTIONS to add on or substitute*
If you prefer to go the fuel injected route we have a Super Victor 4500 style intake and a set of fuel rails brand new
Forward facing turbo headers for any of the following: 2nd gen F body, 2nd gen A body, or first gen A body. These can actually be had in either O or D port, mild steel with V bands
Polished Garrett 4788 T6 turbo
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You can buy Butlers 461-501 cubic inch engine for $13,000. They say up to 650 hp, and 625 ft lbs torque. But it's extra to get up toward the 501ci range and the 650 hp mark because that requires the forged crank, which is an upgrade.
The Butlers are great people. I don't claim to know them well, but have spoken with David and Jim Butler at length, and they sell good products and give great customer service. In fact, I discussed several choices I made on thi than theirs. You could buy one of those engines and have it built for boost. Only it will cost you $6000 more, and it WON'T have the following:
the E-heads ported. They'll be stock E-heads.
The heads WON'T be plumbed for oil return.
You WON'T get the stud girdles.
Not that its worth anything in the power dept but the Northwind intake and E-heads have been hand polished. Mirror polishing would do that for you though...if you want to spend