performance chip "UPGRADE"

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back when I first bought my 1985 corvette all my friends that owned the 1984-91 corvettes (at that time in 1992 there was nothing newer) all spoke of adding a performance chip to the cars as if it was some magical cure for lack of power, and while at that time there was several magazine articles promoting their use and even a few dyno tests showing 18-26 hp gains after installs , I was rather UN-impressed, reading these articles promoting their use simply because by that time, I had enough experience, building engines and racing cars, to fully understand that magazines get paid big bucks to promote the sale of products and advertizing cash flow seemed to sway their objectivity, plus by that time I had learned that magazine article's in performance magazines were frequently designed MOSTLY to promote product sales. regardless of what the legitimate dyno testing might show.
well in any case , almost every one of these guys had by this time ordered and installed CHIPS and most of them said they had noticed an improvement, so I was rather curious.
I asked questions and not a single guy had done a before and after dyno test because the chips cost far less than dyno test time.
I asked how difficult the chips were to install , and one of my friends decided to show me , how easy it was by pulling the chip out of his 1985 corvette and installing it temporarily in my car so I could see the difference for my self.
he started by showing me where the chip was located, up under the dash on the pass side foot well.
ecm870FTMmodule.jpg

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but when he opened the aluminum box containing the CHIP I found I already had one installed from the previous owner, and he showed me how they just clip in place, this was later to prove very useful, several months later, when I was tracking down an issue with my car not holding a steady idle speed which eventually proved to be cure by removing the "PERFORMANCE CHIP" and after it was REMOVED my car ran much better.

this was not a rare failure from what I've seen, and of those guys I still know of and talk to a great many guys have since removed the chips as they seem to be prone to intermittent electrical glitches.
now I'm surely not saying that none of the upgrade chips do what they are designed to do, because obviously I have not tested all brands or can i be sure they were all installed correctly, but the early chips had an appallingly high failure rate, and many of them seemed to cause intermittent electrical glitches, in my friends corvettes, mostly related to idle speed control issues or over heated engines, or fuel/air ratio distribution, and removing the chips has frequently resulted in cars running better in my experience.
Id also point out that many of the chips simply push on, and contacts corrode with age and especially in moist environments


https://www.eecis.udel.edu/~davis/z28/ecm_swap/


youll find many guys claiming that aftermarket CPU chip upgrades help a great deal
Ive found some help marginally but many actually hurt performance

http://www.iroc-z.com/articles/articlepages/1990-3Chips Article by Cliff Gromer, Super Stock, 1991.htm
THERES A GREAT DEAL OF RELATED INFO< IN THESE THREADS AND SUB LINKS

http://www.ecklerscorvette.com/hypertec ... chips.html

http://www.ws6.com/mycar.htm

bytor said:
Since I have had my ‘new to me’ 1987 corvette for almost a year now and being the nerd that I am I wanted to know what made the 1227165 ECU tick. I thought I would start a post to generate some discussion. Obviously the 80’s ODB1 ECU’s are rather antiquated compared to today technology but it’s interesting to see how these things work. It’s helped me gain a deeper understanding of the TPI engine control rather than looking at the ECU as a black box. I have researched both the ECU hardware and software. Below is a summary of the ECU hardware and plan to follow up later with a software discussion. Disclaimer – I am in no way an expert involving this following info. It’s based on my research and I have made some assumptions and educated guesses. Feedback and additional insight welcome….

Starting off with the hardware, I put together a functionality block diagram below depicting the chips and their functionality inside the ECU providing a little more insight into what the inputs and outputs actually connect to inside the ECU. Also below is a description of the chips and generally what their functionality is I think. There is very little info out there on most of these chips.



Description of the Chips:
16034988 (U8) - ECU main central 8 bit processor chip (CPU). The processor runs at a modest 2Mhz with 512K of SRAM on the chip. The upper 256K is retained by the car battery. This is where the ‘learned’ variables are stored (BLM) and what’s reset when the battery is disconnected. The architecture of this processor chip is almost the exact same as a Motorola 68HC11 with some minor differences. Motorola produced this custom chip for GM based on GM specifications. The programing instruction set is also the same as the 68HC11 and assembly language is used to write the code. This processor was used in most all of the P4 ECU’s thought the 80’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale_68HC11
http://www.retro.co.za/rsre/efi/DIY_EFI/1999/efi4-117.txt
http://www.freescale.com/files/microcontrollers/doc/ref_manual/M68HC11ERG.pdf
https://www.clear.rice.edu/elec201/Book/6811_asm.html

16045148 (U9) - Time Processing Unit (TPU) chip. Very little info exist about this chip but it appears to be responsible for on/off output control for relays and pulsed outputs like the check engine light. More importantly this chip is also responsible for interfacing variable frequency and other pulse train inputs to the CPU and providing the pulse width modulation and other reference clock signals for driving the injectors and ignition timing. Apparently, lots of smarts in this chip.

16034984 (U12) - Fuel modeling device (FMD) chip. This chip seems to be the smarts that take the CPU ignition and fuel commands then interfaces them to the distributor and injectors. It also provides on/off inputs from things like the park neutral switch and AC on/off inputs. This is where some of the limp home smarts live as well. Very little details exist about the inter working of this chip.

16054995 (U11) - Limp home control chip or redundant fuel module(RFM). Again, very little info on this chip but it seems to work with the MEMCAL and 16034984 (FMD) to control If the CPU or multiple sensors fail, this chip in conjunction with the U11 the link home controller and the MEMCAL would manage all engine functions.

16034988 (U10) - Analog to digital converter chip. Used to sample varying DC input signals from the MAF and coolant temperature sensors for example. This chip is comparable to the Texas Instruments ADC0811.
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/adc0811.pdf

16042368 (U3&6) - Quad driver chip. A high-voltage, high-current quadruple low-side switch especially
designed for driving from low-level logic to peripheral loads such as relays, solenoids, motors, lamps, and other high-voltage high-current loads. This chip is primarily used to drive the various relays like the cooling fan and MAF burn off relays. This chip is comparable to the Texas Instruments TPIC2404.
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tpic2404.pdf

16034987 (U4) - Oxygen sensor amplifier chip. Basic sensor amplifier specifically used for the O2 sensor. This chip is comparable to the Texas Instruments LM9044.
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm9044.pdf

16064606 (U2) - CPU serial to ALDL interface chip. Used to interface the CPU serial data to the ALDL interface connector. http://home.earthlink.net/~cliff_harris/1227165/Links/bi_sxr.pdf

16034993 (U7) - Idle air control stepper motor driver chip. Used to interface the ECU to the IAC stepper motor controlling idle. Looks like a run of the mill stepper motor driver chip.

16034992 (U1) - Power sequencer/reset/voltage regulator chip. Not much info available on this chip other than the pin outs. http://home.earthlink.net/~cliff_harris/1227165/Links/16034992.gif

16045580 (U13) - Single driver/switch chip used to control the fuel pump relay. Looks like a run of the mill stepper relay driver chip.




More to come.



http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...chevy-cams-and-a-few-similar-aftermarket.133/
 
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Rhysing said:
My 91 coupe has been revving to roughly 2800 rpm when starting the engine (cold or hot) and settles down to 800 quickly.

I suspected a vacuum leak but couldn't find one and both shops that I have taken the car to couldn't find the reason for it.

No error codes, just a temporary high rev.

Anyone experienced this before or have a suggestion on where to begin the diagnosis?

Rhysing said:
Took the car back to the shop today...

Smoke test on vacuum hoses, all good.

Replaced Idle Air Control Module (definitely needed) but still didn't fix the revving issue.

They suggested replacing the MAP sensor. Put new one on, still didn't fix issue (so they put the old one back on).

Removed throttle body, no hang ups there.

New diagnosis is to replace the ECM.

This particular shop cannot do that repair so the search begins for who can and what will it cost

The ECM is cheap enough at 115 to 150, but lord only knows the hours of labor it will take to replace it.
Got the new (re-manufactured) ECM installed today. The car fired right up with the high revving.

Did NOT reinstall the hypertech chip that the previous owner had put in. Looked up the number on the chip and it's not supposed to be sold in California anyway.

Honestly didn't notice any difference with the chip out.

Drove around for 40 miles to get the new computer to "learn" the settings and everything seems to be back to normal.

I'll have to drive around some more before I go for smog on Monday but it looks like this swap solved the issue.

The mechanic was great, took him about 25 minutes to take the old one off, pull out the prom, remove the chip, install the prom in the new computer and put everything back on the car.

Changing the computer sounded a lot scarier than it turned out to be.
 
Old thread but I’m new to this world.

So by performance chips for my 84 c4, are these like the ones discussed in this thread, or do they represent a better modernized version? (One example from he several from Hypertech)

 







STEP ONE,
read these threads
and sub linked info,

theres a huge amount of related info
and doing so carefully and take notes , don't waste time and cash on stuff that won't really help,
youll need to upgrade the basics to get real performance improvements


the chips a very marginal improvement, you really need to upgrade the fuel pump, intake manifold, heads and cam to get a noticeable boost in real performance, and if you really want a very noticeable improvement it helps to swap to a 383-400, and a higher stall speed converter
the stock, OEM, heads cam and intake are very restrictive, and what goes in needs to exit thus you'll need headers,
your hardly the first and won't be the last guy to want to upgrade the 1984 vette
read through the links and sub links it will save you thousands of dollars and months of wasted work,
read carefully then ask your questions, keep in mind people now have had 40 plus years doing these mods
and it comes down to a repeatable process done in known steps.
your bank balance and skill level and ability or desire to do the research are the limitations
the stock 1984 had a pitiful 205 hp, you can easily double that or more but its not cheap and the.
the stock, OEM, heads cam and intake are very restrictive :facepalm: :swearing:
you can double the horsepower rather easily, with the listed mods.:like: but you need a few skills, persistence and deep pockets or at least a long term plan and do the work in steps (what most of us are forced to do) personally Id build a 383-400 and use a mild roller cam, brodix heads and a renegade intake, on that engine then swap it out!(so your not doing things piecemeal, with potentially very limited results as each change is effected by the total combo, so minor changes tend to result in far lower gains that the parts full potential when properly matched with all the correct parts.

btw most original fuel pumps are no longer functioning at near the potential required they may be 40 plus years old.
there are now MUCH better options on the twin fuel injection the car came with, and even the OEM throttle body injection can be improved or replaced
 
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STEP ONE,
read these threads
and sub linked info,
theres a huge amount of related info
and doing so carefully and take notes , don't waste time and cash on stuff that won't really help,
youll need to upgrade the basics to get real performance improvements


the chips a very marginal improvement, you really need to upgrade the fuel pump, intake manifold, heads and cam to get a noticeable boost in real performance, and if you really want a very noticeable improvement it helps to swap to a 383-400, and a higher stall speed converter
the stock, OEM, heads cam and intake are very restrictive, and what goes in needs to exit thus you'll need headers,
your hardly the first and won't be the last guy to want to upgrade the 1984 vette
read through the links and sub links it will save you thousands of dollars and months of wasted work,
read carefully then ask your questions, keep in mind people now have had 40 plus years doing these mods
and it comes down to a repeatable process done in known steps.
your bank balance and skill level and ability or desire to do the research are the limitations
the stock 1984 had a pitiful 205 hp, you can easily double that or more but its not cheap and the.
the stock, OEM, heads cam and intake are very restrictive :facepalm: :swearing:
you can double the horsepower rather easily, with the listed mods.:like: but you need a few skills, persistence and deep pockets or at least a long term plan and do the work in steps (what most of us are forced to do) personally Id build a 383-400 and use a mild roller cam, brodix heads and a renegade intake, on that engine then swap it out!(so your not doing things piecemeal, with potentially very limited results as each change is effected by the total combo, so minor changes tend to result in far lower gains that the parts full potential when properly matched with all the correct parts.
btw most original fuel pumps are no longer functioning at near the potential required they may be 40 plus years old.
there are now MUCH better options on the twin fuel injection the car came with, and even the OEM throttle body injection can be improved or replaced
Thanks.
I’ve been re-reading Crossfire Mikes long threads as he seems to have a template for possible performance upgrades that follow your advice.

He seems to have done many things that are under the covers while keeping intact all the AIR, and other things that would go awry of the smog inspectors. However, his Hedman headers, while still having a California approved number, seems to do away with the EGR plumbing, which could raise issues, although NY doesn’t sniff cars of my vintage with OBD1.

Sorry I haven’t looked, but Is there an obligatory stock chip in the factory ECM, or is this just a way for making changes to the programming when/if needed?
 
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why not contact Crossfire Mike and the other 1984 vette owners, who have done the mods and seen the results , for their insights and thoughts while you plan your mods
 
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