IF your thinking you can port the stock intake and heads......Ive got some advice gained thru experiance
don,t get the idea Im against the x-fire system,design, it has potential,Im just against throwing money down a rat hole!
sellecting the aftermarket crossram bases matched to a correctly matched cam, better heads and a low restriction exhaust with decent headers can make a huge improvement.
but the stock intake, heads and cam are KILLING your potential power
http://www.technovelocity.com/chevyhack ... olish.html
SHORT ANSWER! STOP BEATING A LONG DEAD HORSE!!
Ive been playing at the hp wars for years,your stock heads,intake, displacement and compression ratio and cam are killing performance. the cross fire intake is the worst offender as it only flow about 170cfm-190cfm
swapping to a EDELBROCK SY1 OR OFFY CROSSRAM INTAKE with CUSTOM LID removes that resriction
THE EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE STOCK INTAKE
custom lid SY1
compare the ports, the SY1 flows about 270cfm
<b>"A MODIFED EDELBROCK SY1 WITH CUSTOM TOP MATCHED TO 190CC AFR HEADS CRANE 114142 CAM -- AND add a 383 high compression engine kit"
b>
BTW Ill save you the math, youll need to get the 10:1 cpr flat top piston 383 kit for the street, and the 74cc combustion chambers AFR 190cc HEADS with L98 spark plug angles if you intend to run high test gas you find everywhere (some is lousy quality) and get the head gasket as close to .018-.022 as you can for correct quench
fyi DD-2000 and EA pro both guess at OVER a 115 hp improvement at the rear wheels, having done this type mod in the past Im reasonably sure thats UNDERESTIMATED for those listed changes
383 rebuild kit $1000
http://www.strokerkits.com/383.htm]http://www.strokerkits.com/383.htm
crane cam/lifters $150
AFR heads $1200 http://www.flatlanderracing.com/cyl...//www.flatlanderracing.com/cylhead_index.html
SY1 with custom lid $500-$600
DOING YOUR OWN WORK>>>>>PRICELESS! :thumbs: :thumbs:
offy
Part numbers are 5893 base,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=OFY-5893&N=700+400429+115&autoview=sku
5903 for the dual-four top,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=OFY-5903
5902 for the linkage.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=OFY-5902
both SUMMIT AND JEGS CAN GET IT FOR YOU
MORE USEFUL INFO
http://www.swko.net/~lionsden/crossfire.htm
http://www.swko.net/~lionsden/crossfire1.htm
unless your rich or hopelessly masochistic get a SY1 or OFFY BASE
the sy1 flows close to 270cfm out of the box, a cfi flows 170-190cfm (DEPENDS ON WHICH PORT (STOCK) and theres not enought room to port without cutting/welding (EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMEING AND EASILY SCREWED UP)
these are the STOCK CFI INTAKE RUNNERS,
you can extensively port them and its a big improvement over stock.............but they are still EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE, and its not a huge help, if your looking to make significant hp
THEY WILL NOT SUPPORT A LARGE INCREASE IN HP WITHOUT MASSIVE CUTTING AND REWELDING WORK,WHICH COSTS FAR MORE AND WORK FAR LESS EFFECTIVELY THAN AN SY1 SWAP WITH A CUSTOM LID
this is the port work necessary to get them to flow even as pittifly as a TPI
for those guys that suggest swapping to a LT1-4 and MPFI on your 1984 crossfire...
just so your not confused, or under the wrong impression, the offanhauser intake base significantly out flows even a ported LT4 intake,doesn,t require re-plumbing the coolant flow like on the LT4 intake,(remember the LT1 and LT4 have no place to install a radiator hose or distributor in stock form),the offy, will function with minimal rewireing,and has a wider effective power band ONCE ITS CORRECTLY MODIFIED with the correct dual TB top or if you just use the dual 4 barrel top plate and a couple 650cfm carbs like many guys use, plus if its correctly done the engine appears to remain stock too the average casual inspection as you can still use the stock air cleaner assembly with the custom TB top, but the windshield wiper motor needs to be replaced with a smaller version for clearance issues
OFFY BELOW
more info
just a bit of info on those stock #624 head flow rates
.......intake....exhaust
.100..44..........41cfm
.200..101..........82cfm
.300.155..........125cfm
.400..182..........137cfm
.500..196..........140cfm
http://lt1intake.com/
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/alternative-port-efi-intakes/489317-few-notes-lt1-intake.html
yes, its a fact that ,
your not the first and sure won,t be the last,
the average guy rarely even thinks about the fuel system configuration,
or the fuel pump capacity ,fuel filter capacity, ignition curve, valve train configuration, exhaust restriction,
or the injector size limitations until he start having issues or finds the engine seems to loose power after he hits second gear etc.
rebuilt or new chevy 383 crank
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/sucp-0706-small-block-chevy-stroker-kit/
RELATED INFO
carefully reading through
these links and sub links will help
ITS GOING to be well worth the time and effort
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-the-rabbit-hole-with-alice.10933/#post-66925
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/renegade-intake-for-cross-fires.2796/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/1984-fuel-pressure.11776/#post-55675
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/got-a-cross-fire-corvette.640/#post-50502
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...lf-the-time-starts-and-dies.11187/#post-50245
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/1984-crossfire-vette-won-t-run-right.10096/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/tweaking-a-350-383.13087/#post-68195
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/is-backpressure-hurting-your-combo.495/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/what-to-look-for-in-a-good-engine-combo.9930/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/383-information-overload.11137/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-springs-and-setting-up-the-valve-train.181/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/matching-parts-and-a-logical-plan.7722/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/valve-train-clearances-and-problems.528/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/setting-up-your-fuel-system.211/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/fuel-pressure-regulators.635/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/calculate-fuel-injector-size.1200/
don,t get the idea Im against the x-fire system,design, it has potential,Im just against throwing money down a rat hole!
sellecting the aftermarket crossram bases matched to a correctly matched cam, better heads and a low restriction exhaust with decent headers can make a huge improvement.
but the stock intake, heads and cam are KILLING your potential power
http://www.technovelocity.com/chevyhack ... olish.html
SHORT ANSWER! STOP BEATING A LONG DEAD HORSE!!
Ive been playing at the hp wars for years,your stock heads,intake, displacement and compression ratio and cam are killing performance. the cross fire intake is the worst offender as it only flow about 170cfm-190cfm
swapping to a EDELBROCK SY1 OR OFFY CROSSRAM INTAKE with CUSTOM LID removes that resriction
THE EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE STOCK INTAKE
custom lid SY1
compare the ports, the SY1 flows about 270cfm
<b>"A MODIFED EDELBROCK SY1 WITH CUSTOM TOP MATCHED TO 190CC AFR HEADS CRANE 114142 CAM -- AND add a 383 high compression engine kit"
b>
BTW Ill save you the math, youll need to get the 10:1 cpr flat top piston 383 kit for the street, and the 74cc combustion chambers AFR 190cc HEADS with L98 spark plug angles if you intend to run high test gas you find everywhere (some is lousy quality) and get the head gasket as close to .018-.022 as you can for correct quench
fyi DD-2000 and EA pro both guess at OVER a 115 hp improvement at the rear wheels, having done this type mod in the past Im reasonably sure thats UNDERESTIMATED for those listed changes
383 rebuild kit $1000
http://www.strokerkits.com/383.htm]http://www.strokerkits.com/383.htm
crane cam/lifters $150
AFR heads $1200 http://www.flatlanderracing.com/cyl...//www.flatlanderracing.com/cylhead_index.html
SY1 with custom lid $500-$600
DOING YOUR OWN WORK>>>>>PRICELESS! :thumbs: :thumbs:
offy
Part numbers are 5893 base,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=OFY-5893&N=700+400429+115&autoview=sku
5903 for the dual-four top,
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=OFY-5903
5902 for the linkage.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=OFY-5902
both SUMMIT AND JEGS CAN GET IT FOR YOU
MORE USEFUL INFO
http://www.swko.net/~lionsden/crossfire.htm
http://www.swko.net/~lionsden/crossfire1.htm
unless your rich or hopelessly masochistic get a SY1 or OFFY BASE
the sy1 flows close to 270cfm out of the box, a cfi flows 170-190cfm (DEPENDS ON WHICH PORT (STOCK) and theres not enought room to port without cutting/welding (EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMEING AND EASILY SCREWED UP)
these are the STOCK CFI INTAKE RUNNERS,
you can extensively port them and its a big improvement over stock.............but they are still EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE, and its not a huge help, if your looking to make significant hp
THEY WILL NOT SUPPORT A LARGE INCREASE IN HP WITHOUT MASSIVE CUTTING AND REWELDING WORK,WHICH COSTS FAR MORE AND WORK FAR LESS EFFECTIVELY THAN AN SY1 SWAP WITH A CUSTOM LID
this is the port work necessary to get them to flow even as pittifly as a TPI
for those guys that suggest swapping to a LT1-4 and MPFI on your 1984 crossfire...
just so your not confused, or under the wrong impression, the offanhauser intake base significantly out flows even a ported LT4 intake,doesn,t require re-plumbing the coolant flow like on the LT4 intake,(remember the LT1 and LT4 have no place to install a radiator hose or distributor in stock form),the offy, will function with minimal rewireing,and has a wider effective power band ONCE ITS CORRECTLY MODIFIED with the correct dual TB top or if you just use the dual 4 barrel top plate and a couple 650cfm carbs like many guys use, plus if its correctly done the engine appears to remain stock too the average casual inspection as you can still use the stock air cleaner assembly with the custom TB top, but the windshield wiper motor needs to be replaced with a smaller version for clearance issues
OFFY BELOW
more info
just a bit of info on those stock #624 head flow rates
.......intake....exhaust
.100..44..........41cfm
.200..101..........82cfm
.300.155..........125cfm
.400..182..........137cfm
.500..196..........140cfm
http://lt1intake.com/
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/alternative-port-efi-intakes/489317-few-notes-lt1-intake.html
yes, its a fact that ,
your not the first and sure won,t be the last,
the average guy rarely even thinks about the fuel system configuration,
or the fuel pump capacity ,fuel filter capacity, ignition curve, valve train configuration, exhaust restriction,
or the injector size limitations until he start having issues or finds the engine seems to loose power after he hits second gear etc.
rebuilt or new chevy 383 crank
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/sucp-0706-small-block-chevy-stroker-kit/
RELATED INFO
carefully reading through
these links and sub links will help
ITS GOING to be well worth the time and effort
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-the-rabbit-hole-with-alice.10933/#post-66925
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/renegade-intake-for-cross-fires.2796/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/1984-fuel-pressure.11776/#post-55675
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/got-a-cross-fire-corvette.640/#post-50502
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...lf-the-time-starts-and-dies.11187/#post-50245
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/1984-crossfire-vette-won-t-run-right.10096/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/tweaking-a-350-383.13087/#post-68195
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/is-backpressure-hurting-your-combo.495/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/what-to-look-for-in-a-good-engine-combo.9930/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/383-information-overload.11137/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-springs-and-setting-up-the-valve-train.181/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/matching-parts-and-a-logical-plan.7722/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/valve-train-clearances-and-problems.528/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/setting-up-your-fuel-system.211/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/fuel-pressure-regulators.635/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/calculate-fuel-injector-size.1200/
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