\" how do you measure piston dome volume"
I just bought a 454 from a yard sale,
the seller has no clue as to the pistons used"
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ok first some facts
(1)cylinders will not be honed to true round as they will be in use with out the use of a deck plate to simulate and duplicate the bolt clamp stress on the cylinder walls, bores in blocks without a head or deck plate with the bolts or studs torqued to spec are not nearly the same shape before having the torqued studs bolts stress applied, theres almost no chance of getting a good ring seal without having the bores honed with a deck plate
always read, understand and follow the piston manufacturers guide for piston to bore clearance and how you measure that correctly
YOU NEED TO KNOW what is the piston to bore side clearance, where on the piston in relation to the pin,it will need to be accurately measured,in relation too the piston pin bore axis and piston top,surface, and how you measure it according to the manufacturer, and how did you measure both the piston and the bore and whats your ring gap supposed too be set at?
think carefully about both the initial cost and the structural strength of the engine block you select, the OEM blocks used in production car engines will RARELY accept a .030 plus over bore with out having one or more cylinders having marginally thin bore walls, this results in inadequate bore to ring sealing if its in the wrong area and promotes stress cracks. A .060 over bore in a SBC is rather commonly pushing that bore wall thickness up to or over a reasonable limit so you need to sonic and magnetically check the block for cracks and wall thickness.
you could easily dump $500-$1500 into machine work on a block that won't last more than a few months under high stress if its not carefully checked PRIOR to the machine work being done.
be sure you, measure EACH bore and EACH piston,
(CORRECTLY with the proper tools in the way the tool and piston manufacturers suggested)
and number them on an engine build sheet indicating the bore and piston diam.
from large to smallest on each and install them on each cylinder to get the most consistent piston to bore clearance's
yes the difference may only be a few ten thousands if the bores are machined correctly, but you'll get the best results , most consistent lubrication, best durability and less heat build up that might result in detonation issues that way. its the little things that add up to making a good durable engine assembly,
BTW check rod orientation, so the beveled sides don't fact the adjacent rods, and check the bearing clearances with plasti guage
its standard practice to cc the combustion chambers, in the cylinder heads and the piston domes,(obviously check quenck and piston pin height, and clearances , mpisyton to head clearance, valve to piston cleances also,
(usually the piston domes volume is generally measured with the piston deck or quench surface rotated down the bore , exactly 1 inch) use your caliper or dial indicator and piston bridge)and the rings sealed temporarily with a bith of grease or paraffin to make sure you'll be dealing with as close as possible to the exact same compression ratio, in each cylinder, mark each piston with a indulable black magic marker A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H
and the bores 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 so you don't get measurements on the build sheet confused between bore diam and piston diam, and you can also not confuse dme volume on each piston
ok you want to calculate your compression ratio,
be aware all BBC pistons will NOT work with ALL potential heads.
remember open and closed chamber heads on THE BBC.
youll need to verify clearance in the combustion chambers and valve to piston clearance
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/vin-casting-info.10474/#post-44012
https://www.mortec.com/bbc.htm
and you bought a short block all ready assembled from some source that has no clue what the pistons used are.
they certainly have a dome volume that will take up space in the combustion chamber and raise effective compression,
but are they 35cc-50cc, 64cc ?
you'll need a deck bridge and dial indicator lexan plate and cc burette
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dial indicator and ideally a lexan plate and a burret with cc measuring marks
watch the videos, the procedure is very similar to measuring combustion chamber volume
you push the piston down bore 1", using the deck bridge /dial indicator,
seal the piston to bore ring gap area with vasoline,over the rings, wipe excess away
the bore diameter must be measured accurately, a dial caliper can be used
but a bore gauge is much more accurate
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I found two 1/2" thick 6"x 6" thick lexan clear sheet on scam bay for about $22 plus shipping that will allow me to fabricate,
TWO of the 6" x 6" COMBUSTION CHAMBER CHECKING AND CCING cover plates,
a step drill helps
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by simply cutting into two equal pieces and drilling a counter sunk 3/16" hole in each half.
lexans a whole lot stronger than plexi-glass, and 6" x 6" allows more sealing surface options so thats the route I took
and its extra stiffness and weight helps seal the measuring fluids
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the formula for a cylinder volume is R sq times PI (3.147) times depth, 1"=25.4mm
R=1/2 the diameter of the bore.
yeah a pocket calculator may be helpful.
lets assume a 4.25" bore,and the piston 1" down bore,
4.25 bore x.5= R= 2.125 x 2.125 x 3.147=14.21067 cubic inches
theres 16.3871 ccs in a cubic inch, thus 14.21067=232.87 ccs
convert cubic inches to cc calculator - Google Search
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in this case lets say you fill the cylinder and it takes 189ccs,
you sub-track that from the potential max volume of 232.87 and see you have a 43.87 dome volume
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