ok some of you smarter guys, give me ideas here.

Everything about a C4 Vette is pretty good Grumpy as far as driving Egronomics .
The Shifter is terrible for A4 auto.
Placed high up because of the Lotus car like drop down seats.
10 second ET cars and faster are traditionally full manual shift.
I dont think ECM Computer shifts can be trusted that fast.
Governor shift Automatics limited to 12 -high 11s from what I seen throughout the years.
Human body still does shifting better.

Muncie 4 speed shifter placement in my 70TA is pefect for full bore power shifts.
 
Also that factory console used in all 2nd Gen stick muncie 4 TA and Camaro is terrible.
Gets in the way Drag Racing power shifts.
Makes you miss gears.
1970 TA like mine was built without.
An option the console.
 
Pretty amazing that Hurst does not make a Pro 1/4 stick Drag Race Shifter for a 4L80E.
No Drag Race Proven Full Manual 100% Reliable for 10's & 9's shifters exist for a 4L80E Grumpy.
 
4L80E has everything going for it on paper.
Just expensive start to finish.
Can not afford for my Suburban.
Even if free.
Rebuid & do it right costs.
 
https://www.sonnax.com/tech_resourc...l-endplay-to-prevent-th400-gear-train-failure

Applies to Turbo 400 & 4L80E Grumpy since they are directly related brothers.
I think mainly for Severe Duty Drag Use & For Drag Racing with a Trans Brake.
Never heard of the issue on the street bone stock or modded.

Bought a set of shims for the Pontiac TH400 project a while back.
Kinda pricey for selective shims.

Something to read through.

Made a PDF file on it for me.
Not going to copy & paste so the link given above.
 
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A responsiveness that puts you far ahead of your competition... the sureness that snaps you into the gear you want, when you want it... the kind of ruggedness that lets you slam it into gear without the fear of jamming or springing the mechanism... that's the Art Carr-Winters shifter for you! It's so well built, so finely engineered, so beautifully designed that you know at once... it has to be by Winters®. The Art Carr-Winters Shifter is Fail-Safe! It's mechanically impossible to accidentally shift into reverse from any forward gear. A sturdy, steel guard bars the shifting rod from all other positions except first, second, or third. When you want reverse, only you can put it there. The Art Carr-Winters shifter can be installed on any street, strip or off road transmission. It is available in both conventional and reverse shift patterns.

Dimensions:

  • 15" long x 5" wide x 11" tall
  • All shifters include basic shifter, 5 ft. cable and necessary hardware to mount to the transmission. The black plastic housing is included.
  • When selecting the Universal Flush Mount, the black plastic housing is NOT included. Both items may be purchased separately.
Gate Patterns (see application table below):

  • Stock
  • Reverse Pattern
  • Rock Crawler Stock Pattern
  • Rock Crawler Reverse Pattern
  • Lockout Stock Pattern
  • Lockout Reverse Pattern
Mounting Options:

  • Standard Console
  • Universal Flush Mount
  • Competition Shifter
Options:

Note: On some 4x4 applications modification of mounting bracket and/or linkages is required to fit.

Note: Bomber Fab Shifter Knob NOT compatible with Lockout style Shifter.

Gate Plate Part #
Application Years Stock Stock
Reverse Rock Crawler
Stock Rock Crawler
Reverse Lockout
Stock Lockout
Reverse Flush Comp
Turbo-Hydro 400 '65+ 107-1 107-1R 107-1-C 107-2-C 107-1-B 107-2-B -9103 -8257
Turbo-Hydro 350 '69+ 157-1 157-1R 157-1-C 157-2-C 157-1-B 157-2-B -9103 -8257
700R4 & 4L60E - 177-1 - 177-1-C 177-2-C 177-1-B - -9103 -8257
4L80E - 187-1 - - - 187-1-B - -9103 -8257
Allison® LCT1000, 2000, 2400 - 197-1 - - - 197-1-B - -9103 -8257
727 Torqueflite TF-8 '66+ 207-1 207-1R 207-1-C 207-2-C 207-1-B 207-2-B -9103 -8257
American Motors '72+ 207-1 207-1R 207-1-C 207-2-C 207-1-B 207-2-B -9103 -8257
904 & 999 Torqueflite TF-6 - 257-1 257-1R 257-1-C 257-2-C 257-1-B 257-2-B -9103 -8257
Ford® C-6 '66+ 307-1 307-1R 307-1-C 307-2-C 307-1-B 307-2-B -9103 -8257
Ford® AODE & 4R70E - 327-1 - - - 327-1-B - -9103 -8257
Ford® E4OD & 4R100 - 337-1 - - - 337-1-B - -9103 -8257
Ford® C-4 '64+ 357-1 357-1R 357-1-C 357-2-C 357-1-B 357-2-B -9103 -8257
Powerglide - 507-1 507-1R - - 507-1-B 507-2-B -9103 -8257
Toyota® - 607-1 607-1R 607-1-C 607-2-C 607-1-B 607-2-B -9103 -8257

just a question,
if someone has a stock 4l80e transmission,
and wanted to buy a 3200rpm stall converter and convert the trans to full manual control,
whats the approximate cost and time frame?
what shifter is available for use with a full manual control on a 4l80e?

related threads

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/manual-4l80e.15151/#post-86598

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/the-c4-bbc-engine-swap.151/page-2#post-86336

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ience-converting-a-4l80e-to-full-manual.5579/
 
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I like the Art Carr Shifters but I do not know how aestheticly pleasing it would be in a corvette.

Here is a pic of the modification I did for mine in a 1987 chevy truck. I made the tube consol .
It doubles as an "OH SH*T !! " grab bar for the passenger also!

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Here Is the same shifter , but in a flush mount style in a 2004 chevy truck.
Work in pic has not been completed yet ...so....
I removed the cup holder tray and replaced it with a .125 thick plate which the shifter bolted down to.


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