$10,000 for A/C and tilt wheel in this car

To find original mint not faded interio parts and not dyed is near impossible .
ONLY BLACK DOES NOT FADE WITH YEARS TIME.
 
87vette81big said:
The Pontiac GTO 1964-72 Is still worth more than most Trans Ams.

Hoping for $80,000 value that is just not there.
Same for $60,000.
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I just go by the comps at the ten busiest collector car auctions. I get the auctioneer's condition report, they're not available until after the auctions are over. They consist of thoughts and evaluations independent of the seller's information. Then you can compare apples to apples to arrive at an educated guess.
 
yeah but if you use the correct high quality dyes on material in good condition it will last for decades,
with minimal change in color or intensity if its not in direct sun light,
and of course its not subjected to varying moisture levels of any consequence.
many guys don,t realize theres a VAST difference in both upholstery dye quality, and several application processes.


correctly applying auto upholstery dyes, is both an art and a skill, and just like on auto body paint,
surface prep and the quality of the interior fabrics,and plastics and vinyl even on OEM components also varies,
some original factory component material is far inferior to whats currently available but the reverse is also true,
Ive seen 50 year old original components that are much better made than similar currently marketed replacement parts.
and previous repair work has a huge effect on the finished results

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The paint is not perfect. Richaed found defects.
No A/C.
No tilt steering.
Original Muncie gone.
Not A Ram Air 4.

$60k way too high.

$28-$30k better.

Also no Ram Air 4 had A/C.
Not available .
 
Then Richard complained about his aching knees and hips.
Said himself an Auto trans better for him.

Also no pump gas.
High octane 110.
 
I weighed this out carefully and decided to called off the deal. Too many red flags to keep justifying. I really want a turn key car that I can enjoy physically as well as mentally. I don't mind hunting for that missing nos part here or there, but a/c and tilt is important for me. By the way, The deal was $38,750 cash.
 
What I didn't talk about was the influence this recent string of high end collector car auctions played in this difficult near purchase. I bit my lip and ventured into new territory bidding on 9 cars and I was the under bidder on everyone. Funny but I believe I pissed a few guys off. I was the guy that took dream deals when bidding stopped and I thought it was too cheap I jumped in and the other guy wouldn't let go. I could be the reason there wasn't any great muscle car buys under $40,000 at Barrett/Jackson last week.
 
From what I saw in the pics I'd say under 40 was a good deal if engine was good. You can't even build a clone of that for 40. The only thing that I couldn't see well in pics is the front bumper/sheet metal alignment. It kinda looked like it was done as most do and try to have the bumper touch the fender. No pics with the hood closed which is where it's really easy to see if they did it right or not. I suspect it isn't right and thats why it doesn't have the canter splash pan bolt correct. Might be missing the triangle bracket there too.
 
Man, you don't miss anything! When I was using my trusty Checkline paint and coating gage I found they adjusted the panel gaps with some sort of filler. I've seen this done before, with the hood, lid or doors closed you fill in the gap and before the filler sets hard you cut a new uniform opening and hand sand to finish. I think they cut the bumper brackets down an inch to bring it closer to the fender. I didn't notice any cross bracing either.
Only buyers come out on top with clones, and this one done with all NOS parts or better yet just plain brand new PMD parts is over the top exceptional!
A new car is one thing knowing its losing money, but I hate putting more money into a classic car that is never going to grow in value in the foreseeable future. The Firebird seemed to be a long term rainy day project for the dealership and some good intentions needed to be reversed to widen the resale market when that day to sell comes. Another thing that bothered me was the lack of original documents for the history it had. Where was the protecto plate, the build sheet, the order form? To get top dollar these papers are greatly desired.
Last but not least, and I don't care what anyone says, the days of wanting to sweat and stick to the seats are all most gone unless you're the Marlboro Man, Muy Mucho, and this girl won't be in a good mood when her hair gets knotted blowing in the wind and certainly she won't be comfortable either on the hot summer cruise meets. And there is a reason why the automatics are better than 65% of total Corvette sales and it's not because of women drivers or people can't drive a stick either. Ferrari understood why years ago.
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I don't think of my 1970-1/2 Trans Am RAIV 4-speed as an investment .
IT HAS BEEN A LOVE AFFAIR FOR 21 YEARS NOW.
SINCE 1994.

Its a Tempermental Beast.
Made to Race and that's it.
 
I don't really give a Fick what market dictates.

I am just going to Blow Away Hellcats Street Racing.
 
When I get time later this week I will scan Vintage High Performance Pontiac Magazine articles and post on Grumpys and my own site.
1971 455 HO TRANS AM & FORMULA 455 HO OF SPECIAL INTREST.

1971 455 HO WAS FASTER THAN THE RAM AIR 3 400 IN 1/4 MILE.
IDLED SMOOTHER.
HIT 13'S NO PROBLEM WITH A/C ON.
PUMP GAS 91 OCTANE AND STREET TIRES 1971.
 
Also the 1973 -74 SD 455 TRANS AMS ARE MOST PRIZED.
NEED $80,000-$300,000 TO BRING IT HOME MINT PERFECT 999 POINTS.
 
The 1969 TRANS AM IS BAD AZZ AWESOME .
JUST 8 CONVERTIBLES MADE.
ONE MUST HAVE SOLD FOR $2,000,000 RECENT.
 
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