Component Selection & Design for 500 HP Fuel System

Discussion in 'Intake Systems , Fuel Systems and Related' started by Indycars, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    both the pictures and the quality of the work your doing appear to be very good quality.
    yeah at times clearances look tight.
     
  2. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    On the supply side ....

    Since I have established the supply side up to the firewall, I went back to re-make the aluminum
    fuel line in SS 1/2 inch SS fuel line. Since I have a pattern to use now, I hope to duplicate the fuel
    line SS. Easier said than done !!! I did document the bend in degrees of 67°. Even thou I had a
    bend degree scale on my bender, I still compared to my pattern, a few degrees off would be easy.
    But it does give a starting place.

    FP04_SupplyLineShutOffToPump_00131.jpg

    I made a hose to go from my Holley fuel pump to the filter. I tried to make it about 1/16 inch longer
    than measured, not to bad. When you have such short lines like I have between the fuel tank and where
    it goes inside the frame, the lengths are critical. If you have a line that is in feet, then this would be
    much easier, you could be off by a up to 3/16 inch with no problems.

    The shorter the line the more critical the measurement will be !!!

    FP04_PumpToFilter-BraidedHose_00133.jpg

    FP04_PumpToFilter-BraidedHose_00136.jpg
     
  3. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Sorry to say the Rigid Tubing Cutter PC-1375 would not even cut 1/2 way thru the Summit hose with
    the SS internal braid. I even took the cutting blade out and sharpened it, but it didn't help. I tried
    on plain 3/8 inch fuel line and it was still difficult. When I went to Home Depot to purchase the Rigid
    tool, I was surprised that the handles were so short, not much leverage.

    RigidTubingCutter(PC-1375).jpg

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-...-Stroke-PVC-and-Tubing-Cutter-23493/202056531

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  4. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    the pictures look impressive your obviously doing nice work,

    are you trying to cut the fuel line strait through with mechanical force,
    or are you installing the heat shrink tube and rotating the tool 360 degrees several times,
    while applying constant firm pressure?
    (btw a spray of wd40 lube oil, seems to help the tool rotate and cut, try it on scrap first, to get the hang of keeping the cut strait and not a spiral)
     
  5. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Finally I'm ready to install the 1/2 return line down the right side frame rail. Not enough room to get a drill motor into place so I'm using the Mag Daddies that you see in the photos. Had to run to local family owned hardware store, they have the best selection of SS fasteners. I needed some short 1/4-20 SS bolts to close the SS 1/2 inch Adel clamps.

    Took a couple of hours to get everything polished and cut about 3/16 inch of the bolts you see in the photos.

    The 5 feet of SS return fuel line with have NO bends, this will be important to run it between
    all the other frame brackets in the way. On the front will be AN-8, 90° hose fuel line bend
    that will lead to the pressure regulator.

    FP01_HoseFitting_90°_SUM-220887N.jpg

    In the rear will be a 45° bend if I run braided flex line
    or it could be more of the 1/2 inch SS line and it will incorporate the 45° bend. We will see
    just how confident I feel about bending SS line.

    There will be more photos of the INSTALLED returned line that will help make the above
    statements clearer.

    FP05_FinishedFuelLineSupport_00148.jpg


    Any body need a Mag Daddy, I seem to have plenty !!!
    I used 4, so there are 36 extras !

    FP05_FortyMagDaddies_00146.jpg

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  6. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

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    Making more progress on the fuel system. I've got the return line completed.

    FP06_HoseFittingComponentsSeparated_00149.jpg

    FP06_HoseFittingNut_00151.jpg

    I found it to be plenty easy to get the hose inside of the nut, no special tools needed. You can see below
    how the hose butts up against the shoulder where the threads start.

    FP06_HoseInNut_00153.jpg

    FP06_HoseFittingAssemblyVaseline_00156.jpg

    FP06_AN_HoseAssembly_00158.jpg

    One hose end is complete

    FP06_AN_HoseAssemblyComplete_00159.jpg

    I have a complete hose ready to go from the SS return line up to the fuel tank.

    FP06_CompletedHoseReturnLineOutput_00163.jpg

    Made sure I had everything on the SS line, Tube Nut, Sleeve and 3-Adel Clamp before flaring the last end. The clamps can
    be put on after flaring, but it just easier to do it before.

    FP06_FlaringReturnLineOutput_00162.jpg

    FP06_ReturnLineOutput_MagDaddy_00169.jpg

    FP06_ReturnLineOutput_00170.jpg



    I will be interested to see if the MagDaddy fasteners stay where I put them.

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  7. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

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    And the flexible braided line from the pressure regulator to the SS return line.

    FP06_MagDaddyFront_00167.jpg

    FP06_ReturnLineRegToLine_00165.jpg

    AN Fitting Tip:
    By using the Nickel plated fittings, if there was ever a scratch in the plating it would not be
    noticeable. Put a scratch in a black anodized fitting and the aluminum underneath would be
    very shinny and visible.

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    Last edited: Jan 23, 2018
  8. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    well it looks a great deal like your making progress
     
  9. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    A big part of the fuel system project is the SS line that run from the left frame rail at the firewall
    to the carburetor, photos will make this obvious. With bends in more than one plane it gets
    complicated. I have to align with both ends, frame rail and carburetor inlet, a few degrees off
    will make a difference and put stress on the carburetor inlet.

    I measured my aluminum line and added another 1.5 inches, then I cut my SS line to 29 inches.
    Before I put any bends in the line, now is the time to polish it. Much easier to polish a straight
    line than a multi-bend line. All thou when I bent the line, it made it look like it was frosted. So I
    had to do some touch up after it was completed.

    FP07_FuelLineStartingComponents_00179.jpg


    You can see how I'm trying to follow my pattern, which is the aluminum line I've been using for 3
    years now. Each bend should be 30°, if you can picture the bell housing, then at each bolt is a 30°
    change until I get to the top of the bell housing. From there it's time to head to the carburetor.

    FP07_FuelLineHalfFinished_00180.jpg

    Each bend required me to insert the line for a test fit, many times for just one bend. In total I probably
    had that line in/out maybe 15-20 times.

    The fuel line in position. Don't be confused by the mirror image against the polished SS firewall. I have
    trouble working down in that area sometimes, it truly is like working next to a mirror. I've tried several
    times to tighten the wrong image. ;)

    FP07_TopViewOfFuelLine_00183.jpg

    Every time I cut the line it would leave an inner lip that I would remove with a Rat Tail File. It was
    not that smooth after the cut and file, so I would polish the inner lip with the buffer. The same wheel
    as I used for the outside. This would fill the first 5-6 inches with compound and require a flush with
    Berryman B-12. The whole reason was to make the flared edge smooth and give me a nice flare. See
    the next 2 photos to compare.

    FP07_FuelLineCut_00186.jpg
    FP07_FuelLineImproved_00191.jpg


    The SS line just needed a small tweak, so I put it in the vise and applied a small force to make
    everything align.

    FP07_FuelLineBendTweak_00184.jpg


    The completed 1/2 inch SS fuel line.

    FP07_FuelLineFinishedOnBench_00193.jpg

    Much too close for comfort, the excess was slightly less than one inch.

    FP07_FuelLineExcess_00199.jpg


    To flush the lines I used the plastic AN caps and carburetor cleaner. Then I used my Heat Gun to
    heat the line. The plastic caps were compatible with the carb cleaner.

    FP07_FlushLineChemtool_00202.jpg

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  10. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    both amazing quality work, and impressive photo skills! WOW!
     
  11. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Just wish I could get you up to the year 1999 median standards. Who cares about a decade or two,
    besides you have your abacus in your bag of tricks!

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  12. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

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    I've had the fuel system pretty much finished this winter except flushing the lines, both SS and
    flexible. Today I decided to bypass the carburetor and pressure regulator and then run the fuel
    pump with the 10 micron filter in place. So all I needed was a temporary line to go from the carb
    inlet direct to the return line. I already had the aluminum line I used to feed the carb from the
    driver frame rail. It was just too easy to twist it around to mate up with the other lines. To make
    it work I added a couple of 90° fittings at each end (Nickle Plated).

    Now all I have to do is run the new pump for 5-10 minutes and let the 10 micron filter capture any
    debris left inside the system. I hope to do that this week, just might take some vacation. I still have
    to install the fuel tank/beer keg, then I can do the flush.

    FP08_FuelSystemFlush_00536.jpg

    FP08_FuelSystemFlush_00537.jpg

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