good for HIM!
we need more guys like this business owner,
who refused to be robbed by scum
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32426383/ns ... nd_courts/
he should get a medal and be immune to any civil action by the scums lawyers
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a 20"-24" barrel allowing the necessary magazine length for a 7-8 shot shot capacity is very useful, as is a butt stock shell holder for a few extra shells
the military did some testing years ago and the best compromise shot size was #1 buck as it tended to place the most hits that would still penetrate deep enough to produce fatal wounds ,at the limited distances a shotgun is considered effective at (out to about 35 yards) but they still tended to order 00 buck, the truth is that after about 15-20 yards a shotgun lost a great deal of its effectiveness but inside of 20-25 yards it is extremely effective on soft targets, a 10-12 ga with the correct ammo in skilled ands and used at under about 25-30 yards is just as effective as a 9mm sub machine gun in most conditions on un-armored human opponents.
if you can find a rifled shot gun barrel it can use slugs, with much increased range and much better accuracy,
but you will find buckshot nearly useless,in a rifled shot gun barrel, at all but point blank to about 10-15 yards range with a rifled barrel using buckshot
keep in mind most 12 ga fit 2 3/4" shells that throw 9 00 buck, or 12 00 buck depending on the loads
many 3" shells usually throws 12 00 buck, but the high velocity versions kicks harder and slows repeat accurate shots, there's also 15 pellet versions in 3" 12 ga (and 18 00 buck in the 10ga 3.5" cartridges)
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remember were talking DEFENSIVE,
you've got VERY HARD TIME, LEGALLY IN SOME JURISDICTIONS,
PROVING THE PERSON IN YOUR HOME IS A LETHAL THREAT
THUS LEGALLY no real DEFENSIVE use, inside your home or business past 20 yards, in most cases,
unless he's armed and has broken into / in your home,
AND THERE'S OBVIOUS EVIDENCE HE FORCED HIS WAY INTO YOUR HOME!
it would be much more difficult to legally justify shooting at an (ATTACKER) past 5-10 yards, unless he's armed and in your home,
and at those ranges a 12 ga is devastating on soft targets, the fact that the guys killed, in the link above, made it out into the street strongly suggests he used duck loads, not buck shot, at 5-10 feet even heavy bird shots (#4-#2) is potentially very lethal with good shot placement, and a knowledge of anatomy
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM820-5.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM801-5.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM802-5.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/36182-5.html
http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotguns_protection_field.htm
we need more guys like this business owner,
who refused to be robbed by scum
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a 20"-24" barrel allowing the necessary magazine length for a 7-8 shot shot capacity is very useful, as is a butt stock shell holder for a few extra shells
the military did some testing years ago and the best compromise shot size was #1 buck as it tended to place the most hits that would still penetrate deep enough to produce fatal wounds ,at the limited distances a shotgun is considered effective at (out to about 35 yards) but they still tended to order 00 buck, the truth is that after about 15-20 yards a shotgun lost a great deal of its effectiveness but inside of 20-25 yards it is extremely effective on soft targets, a 10-12 ga with the correct ammo in skilled ands and used at under about 25-30 yards is just as effective as a 9mm sub machine gun in most conditions on un-armored human opponents.
if you can find a rifled shot gun barrel it can use slugs, with much increased range and much better accuracy,
but you will find buckshot nearly useless,in a rifled shot gun barrel, at all but point blank to about 10-15 yards range with a rifled barrel using buckshot
keep in mind most 12 ga fit 2 3/4" shells that throw 9 00 buck, or 12 00 buck depending on the loads
many 3" shells usually throws 12 00 buck, but the high velocity versions kicks harder and slows repeat accurate shots, there's also 15 pellet versions in 3" 12 ga (and 18 00 buck in the 10ga 3.5" cartridges)
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remember were talking DEFENSIVE,
you've got VERY HARD TIME, LEGALLY IN SOME JURISDICTIONS,
PROVING THE PERSON IN YOUR HOME IS A LETHAL THREAT
THUS LEGALLY no real DEFENSIVE use, inside your home or business past 20 yards, in most cases,
unless he's armed and has broken into / in your home,
AND THERE'S OBVIOUS EVIDENCE HE FORCED HIS WAY INTO YOUR HOME!
it would be much more difficult to legally justify shooting at an (ATTACKER) past 5-10 yards, unless he's armed and in your home,
and at those ranges a 12 ga is devastating on soft targets, the fact that the guys killed, in the link above, made it out into the street strongly suggests he used duck loads, not buck shot, at 5-10 feet even heavy bird shots (#4-#2) is potentially very lethal with good shot placement, and a knowledge of anatomy
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM820-5.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM801-5.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM802-5.html
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/36182-5.html
http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotguns_protection_field.htm
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