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What is the melting temperature you run for a 95/5 mix of WW & Tin
- rlphvac
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ID suppose I should point out that lead bullet alloy has a huge effect on the projectiles performance, it affects the projectiles ability to grab and hold the weapons bore ,walls rifling to maximize and maintain accuracy, it effects the projectiles penetration and expansion characteristics and velocity limits. harger bullet alloys expand slower and penetrate deeper and generally have better accuracy, but at a cost of slower and less pronounced expansion.
cast bullets without jackets are rarely used at velocities exceeding about 1900- 2100 fps, as accuracy generally degrades above about that velocity , yes it varies with several factors like rifling twist rate depth of rifling and bullet design.
always cast bullets in an outside location , with a lead melting furnace ,
thats a solid bench that can not tip or become unsteady,
don't think you can just open the shop doors, to get a breeze through the shop,
ALWAYS cast bullets where your constantly being flushed with a good steady breeze,
but not where you can get rained on!
simply adding a large fan in the shop doorway, is not nearly sufficient, placing one (a larger shop fan) down wind of where your casting,out in the open air flow, to suck fumes away from you, can help


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Reasonably Decent Bear Protection In A Handgun
don't think a 44 mag, if properly hand loaded,( proper shot placement and a knowledge of games anatomy is critical) :like: is as under powered as some people who own the larger magnum revolvers would have you believe, while its certainly true that cartridges like the 454 casull, 480 ruger, 460...
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WHILE my 29-3 S&W 10 5/8' revolver has a long record of dropping game with 310 grain hard cast bullets,
loaded over 21 grains of H110 powder, I'd point out that hunting with a handgun is generally a fairly close range affair,
where shots over 60-70 yards are rather rare and in most cases best avoided,
and where even perfectly hit game seldom drops on bullet impact... expect a short run, even if deer, hogs or elk are well hit.no one's as good a shot with an iron sighted handgun as they usually can be with a properly set up rifle,
and most handguns don't come close to a deer rifles stopping power.
( I've always considered use of a magnum handgun as being similar to ARCHERY,
where the focus is, and should be, on the hunters skill, in his ability in getting in close and proper shot placement)
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To start you should just run just run the heat up the casting alloy in the pot and test cast a few dozen bullets to heat the mold,
the lead will be in about the 780f-850f range, until the bullets you cast have an obviously FROSTED exterior,
when you pour the mold over fill it so a glob of excess lead forms on the moveable shear plate, part of the mold, watch it change temps BEFORE you open the mold every time,
and fully fill the molds, this will take awhile for the hot lead and the mold to semi stabilize then
keep slowly reducing the temperature just until, the cast projectiles still fully fill the mold,
and still have a just marginally frosted appearance, this temperature will vary some-what with the antimony, tin, and lead content
but if the mold lubricant grooves are crisp and there's ZERO wrinkles and the projectile maintain a mild frosted appearance the molds filling to the max volume and weight, and the projectiles will be the most consistent in diameter, weight and consistency.
keep in mind the rate at whicH you CAST EFFECTS THE MOLD TEMP, if you generally cast like I do and drop bullets in a 7 gallon pail that's got about 6 gallons of water and a few drops of dawn dish was soap to break the water surface temp you'll get good results, don't worry about bullets being damaged they harden completely and the water in the pail reduces the impact speed with the bottom of the pail
its been my experience that proper/ consistent bullet casting, is dependent on both the consistent casting temperature, and the bullet casting alloys, used, and as most bullet casters have little or no way to ascertain the exact ratio, of those alloys if sources such as scrap range lead, wheel weights, reclaimed battery plates, plumbers lead, old sail boat ballast, or communication cable sheathing are very dependent on the caster fluxing the lead to remove impurities and adding TIN to the mix to produce consistent fully formed projectiles.
LYNOTYPE ALLOY (especially with a couple extra percent of pure tin added)is close to ideal for cast bullets but with modern computers having taken over the printing industry, its very hard to locate at a good price
The main trick with melting bullet metal alloy ,is to get the temperature right. This means that the alloy is hot enough to flow freely ,
but not too hot as to take a long time to solidify in the mold. A temperature of about 420°C maintains the alloys molten state, but the alloy must be slightly hotter to freely fill the mold without voids, or roughly 790F-about 830f should be about right for most bullet alloys.
the alloy itself, the mold size or mass and your rate of filling and emptying the bullet mold, will in some ways dictate the heat required to mold/cast correctly
bullets cast way too cool.

the bullets pictured below are
bullets cast correctly, but just a bit, marginally cooler than if at the ideal temperature
THESE 260-270 grain bullet molds produce a great compromise providing good accuracy and penetration but a bit lower recoil than the 300-310 grain bullet designs that provide a bit deeper penetration in the 44 mag and 445 DWSM revolver
bullets with a marginally frosted appearance tend to be more consistent in weight and diameter,
but don't always fill the mold consistently
but this added heat, can easily be over done, like these, bullets that appear to be below
, which appear to have been cast with the alloy a bit too hot
(yeah the alloy used and temperature balance is critical, experience helps a great deal
I've found a mildly frosted appearance on the projectiles after casting (second group)rather than a shiny smooth silver sheen (top group)to produce noticeably more consistent projectile weights.
a ratio of about 95% old wheel weights and 5% pure tin, it's the roughly 5% tin added to the wheel weight or other scrap lead, that makes the alloy both semi flex able, and elastic yet much harder than pure lead,, rather than brittle under hard impact, and has resulted in the best compromise in accuracy and bullet weight consistency, use of gas check bullet designs very definitely aid in increasing accuracy and reducing bore fouling.
keep in mind the alloy constantly changes as you add ingots,and the temp changes as you drop cast scrap and ingots back in the mix
I've also found that dropping the hot bullets into a 3/4 full 7 gallon bucket full of room temperature water helps with bullet accuracy and consistency.
the tin content must generally fall in 3%-6% range for bullets to fully fill the mold and perform well as to both accuracy and deep penetration
on larger game while still consistently expanding reliably without shattering on larger bones
I generally start a pot of bullet allow using ingots previously cast in old MUFFIN tins this results in about a 4-5 lb ingot, the lead has been repeatedly fluxed before the ingots are cast with a mix of old sawdust, and paraffin, about a 1/2" thick on a large cast iron pot that holds about 50 lbs of scrap lead, heated on an old turkey cooking furnace. and repeatedly stirred and heated to the point the alloy turns rapidly purple from heat as its stirred, and repeatedly fluxed.
These ingots are the basic lead alloy and inevitably will contain some antimony and calcium in unknown percentages
tin is added in the casting pot as required but you'll generally fill the 20 lb capacity pot to about 80% of capacity then add a 2-3 lb ingot that's maybe 40%-60% tin, made from 60%/40% plumbers solder,and other tin, you buy,
and then fill the pot to near full capacity with more cup cake pan ingots,
obviously this is not 100% percent precise as to the alloy ratio but with experience looking at the frosted appearance of the cast projectiles you can maintain a very consistent bullet hardness and projectile weight result.
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Grumpy I am at it again I was getting tires on my truck and happened to ask the guy what he did with the old weights and he said he was going to bury them because everybody says that they want them but nobody ever comes to get them so I ended up with at least 500 #s of old wheel weights and so I...
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owning a 5-7 quart cast iron pot to melt and flux range and scrap lead over a propane furnace helps a great deal
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a couple muffin pans to cast ingots certainly helps,
you'll occasionally see the old rusted cast iron muffin pans at yard sales dirt cheap, when you do grab them
as they are better than thin aluminum muffin pans for casting ingots
btw
placing the muffin pans on a large aluminum pan with some water in it for the muffin pans,
to make the ingots cool faster helps production rates
having a steel dipper to mix , flux and pour lead alloy into the muffin pan helps
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