TBucket Engine Project (Dart SHP)
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i said wet, not rich. look like its missifiring on that cylinder?Indycars said:
Buts yes it look more rich vs the other spark plugs, probably because its missfiring?
But well, maby its just me.
But looking at the metal portion around the porcelain #2 look wet, unburnt fuel or oil. Look alot like unburn fuel to me.
Anyway, my point is, this spark plug do not look like the 7 other, so something must be wrong with that cylinder.
well, Rick, have you decided to make any changes or mods to the current engine tune?
what was your impression of the way the car ran?
btw I had a brief e-mail message, recently ,
from a guy who's not even registered on this site,
(in spite of me extending an invitation , for him to do so)
thanking me ,and asking me to thank you ,for that thread,and the detailed pictures, as it seems you have at least a couple people who followed the T-bucket engine build, the thread on your engine build, obviously had readers who are not members that were quite impressed with the results and especially your careful attention to details.
he did mention one complaint, which has far more to do with how this web sites been deliberately set up rather than your build, he stated that he tries to read the sub linked info but finds he can spend several hours in an interesting but never ending, near endless maze of related info!
(darn I hope so that's the whole idea, the sites built to provide!)
what was your impression of the way the car ran?
btw I had a brief e-mail message, recently ,
from a guy who's not even registered on this site,
(in spite of me extending an invitation , for him to do so)
thanking me ,and asking me to thank you ,for that thread,and the detailed pictures, as it seems you have at least a couple people who followed the T-bucket engine build, the thread on your engine build, obviously had readers who are not members that were quite impressed with the results and especially your careful attention to details.
he did mention one complaint, which has far more to do with how this web sites been deliberately set up rather than your build, he stated that he tries to read the sub linked info but finds he can spend several hours in an interesting but never ending, near endless maze of related info!
(darn I hope so that's the whole idea, the sites built to provide!)
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87vette81big
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When is the Next Race Rick ???
You will have to setup the T-bucket to run Low 10's or High 9's to compete & win.
You have found out what I have known since 2002.....
No one will run slower.
Anything less is a waste of time & $$$$&$$$.
8'S actually the Norm today.
You will have to setup the T-bucket to run Low 10's or High 9's to compete & win.
You have found out what I have known since 2002.....
No one will run slower.
Anything less is a waste of time & $$$$&$$$.
8'S actually the Norm today.
grumpyvette said:
Usually I take Monday off from the garage and hang out with the wife. Then we got
some free tickets to the Les Misérables musical for Tuesday evening, so I went to that
also …..man was that boring. Sitting for 2-1/2 hours in an 18 inch wide chair, sharing
a 2 inch wide armrest with a stranger and no where to put your feet. I sure was glad to
get out of there!!!
1.) First I want to confirm my ignition timing is set to 35°, like I think it is. When you
drew on my timing graph, your line showed that the total timing was all in by 2600 RPM.
I would have thought that would be too early, is the line you drew, correct in this respect?
I can go back to the original springs if that is the case.
2.) I’m already wanting more power when I can’t stay up with the other cars! Didn’t take
long did it!
I think it should have more low end, but I guess that’s partly from not being tuned
correctly. Also the engine does not having the correct rear gears and torque converter
to keep the engine in it’s power band. I’m not having any troubles with trans fluid
temp, so in the future maybe a torque converter change might be possible along with
a rear gear change.
Assuming I’m having traction problems, will changing to a lower rear gear ratio
(higher numerically) make the problem better or worse? I’ve always thought that
having a lower gear would actually help, because the tires are NOT spinning as hard.
Lets do a mental experiment. If we went to 20:1 rear gear, the tires could hardly spin
before you would be at max speed for that gear.
I really need someone with more experience, I’m shooting blind when I express my
opinions about the performance with this new engine. Wish you were here !!!
3.) Glad it’s helping others, I know it has been a great asset when I can’t remember all
the details and I need to find out what I did. It’s been a great way to document even the
smallest details that I would have never done just for myself.
I didn’t know that we were that scary that others feel they couldn’t post anything. I’ve
had a PM sitting in my outbox for 2 years now that has never been read by dklees that
still visits the forum to this day. Hey dklees, we don’t bite and check your messeges please!
4.) Grumpy I think you have to understand that there are two types of readers, and they
could be both types, just depends on their goals at that time. Sometimes I read to learn
about something and then all the links are great. Then sometimes I am reading to find a
solution to a problem that I would like to solve as quickly as I can. That’s when all the links
can take you places that don’t help with the problem. They do take you on lots of tangents
that requires time to read. Nothing you can do differently, it is, what it is!!!
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87vette81big
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I am not afraid to talk to You Rick or others.
Those Oki Boys near You Are Flucking Fast.
Have to get the T dialed in.
I have lots of experience with todays FAST Race Cars.
Most with 5.0 Stangs.
I still remember when Chevy Guys said they would never get out of the 14's.
Today they are chasing them in sub 8 second to 6- Second 1/4 mile.
1400--3,000 HP.
T has an Edge. Its Light.
The Driver & Owner Rick is Krazy Hotrod like Me .
Need to test & tune this weekend Rick .
Lower gears can help with traction issues Yes Rick.
We don't know how much Anti Squat Traction is built into the T bucket Rear Suspension.
A wild guess yoyr around 80-85%.
Those Oki Boys near You Are Flucking Fast.
Have to get the T dialed in.
I have lots of experience with todays FAST Race Cars.
Most with 5.0 Stangs.
I still remember when Chevy Guys said they would never get out of the 14's.
Today they are chasing them in sub 8 second to 6- Second 1/4 mile.
1400--3,000 HP.
T has an Edge. Its Light.
The Driver & Owner Rick is Krazy Hotrod like Me .
Need to test & tune this weekend Rick .
Lower gears can help with traction issues Yes Rick.
We don't know how much Anti Squat Traction is built into the T bucket Rear Suspension.
A wild guess yoyr around 80-85%.
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87vette81big
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Use the Butt Dyno Rick.
Sense of exhaust smell, Listening carefull to the engine part throttle & WOT,
& How fast the Tachometer wraps up to the next shift point.
Juggle Primary & secondary Jets.
Take a vacuum reading.
Tire pressure variation.
Practice launching more.
Fact that you catch up shows its making HP.
How much I am not sure.
Need to weigh T bucket & need 1/4 mile ET & Trap speeds.
Read spark plugs too.
I often like reading spark plugs better than wide band O2.
Nice chrome headers you don't want to drill & weld in O2 bungs .
Chrome will be burnt around it & ruined.
Sense of exhaust smell, Listening carefull to the engine part throttle & WOT,
& How fast the Tachometer wraps up to the next shift point.
Juggle Primary & secondary Jets.
Take a vacuum reading.
Tire pressure variation.
Practice launching more.
Fact that you catch up shows its making HP.
How much I am not sure.
Need to weigh T bucket & need 1/4 mile ET & Trap speeds.
Read spark plugs too.
I often like reading spark plugs better than wide band O2.
Nice chrome headers you don't want to drill & weld in O2 bungs .
Chrome will be burnt around it & ruined.
LOLOLOLOL - "man that was boring"?!?!?!?! 
"I’m already wanting more power when I can’t stay up with the other cars! Didn’t take
long did it! "
Amazing how quick it corrupts!!!!!
And yes, in my experience, and exactly for the reasons you mention, lower gearing is easier to stick.
"I’m already wanting more power when I can’t stay up with the other cars! Didn’t take
long did it! "
Amazing how quick it corrupts!!!!!
And yes, in my experience, and exactly for the reasons you mention, lower gearing is easier to stick.
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87vette81big
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Rick can only Try Gears Lower.
Rear suspension on T is Homemade.
Test & Tune only way to know how effective it is Drag Racing.
No where near as good as a Modern 4-link & double adjustable Steange Engineering drag shocks .
Or a Vintage Home made Ladder Bar Layout.
Real Drag Race Converters are 8 inches or smaller diameter.
Rear suspension on T is Homemade.
Test & Tune only way to know how effective it is Drag Racing.
No where near as good as a Modern 4-link & double adjustable Steange Engineering drag shocks .
Or a Vintage Home made Ladder Bar Layout.
Real Drag Race Converters are 8 inches or smaller diameter.
RICK, youve barely started to tap the cars current potential, don,t forget what your trying to build and go off the deep end!
a 3200 rpm stall converter would be helpful to unlock the cars potential, personally Id keep the current 3.73:1 rear gears.
I can assure you from the experience I've had building , my 700hp, crower injected, 496 bBC with 13.7:1 compression,in a 1968 corvette with a full roll cage and 4 link rear suspension, and aluminum interior with race seats, that,your going to be far happier in the long run with a street-able and dependable car that runs in the low 11 to high 10 second range (which with tuning and some suspension work, and maybe minor changes to the engine combo, you already have the power for, or can easily get too.)
(you should easily get to 470 plus hp with the current engine)(figure 400hp plus at the rear wheels)
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
rather than thinking about throwing buckets of money into changes that will result is a faster car that will require a ton of additional changes to legally run at any certified track and at the same time make the car far less dependable for transportation, or fun to drive on the street.
(now if you really want a part time rocket a 150hp nitrous plate kits an option)
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/nos-0 ... /overview/
changing to a race legal car , that runs faster than 10 seconds will transform the car into a bottomless money sucking pit
http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/Section_4_ET.pdf
http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/Gene ... ations.pdf
a 3200 rpm stall converter would be helpful to unlock the cars potential, personally Id keep the current 3.73:1 rear gears.
I can assure you from the experience I've had building , my 700hp, crower injected, 496 bBC with 13.7:1 compression,in a 1968 corvette with a full roll cage and 4 link rear suspension, and aluminum interior with race seats, that,your going to be far happier in the long run with a street-able and dependable car that runs in the low 11 to high 10 second range (which with tuning and some suspension work, and maybe minor changes to the engine combo, you already have the power for, or can easily get too.)
(you should easily get to 470 plus hp with the current engine)(figure 400hp plus at the rear wheels)
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
rather than thinking about throwing buckets of money into changes that will result is a faster car that will require a ton of additional changes to legally run at any certified track and at the same time make the car far less dependable for transportation, or fun to drive on the street.
(now if you really want a part time rocket a 150hp nitrous plate kits an option)
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/nos-0 ... /overview/
changing to a race legal car , that runs faster than 10 seconds will transform the car into a bottomless money sucking pit
http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/Section_4_ET.pdf
http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/Gene ... ations.pdf
DorianL said:Les Miz Seen that three times in London, incl original cast.
I wish I enjoyed those kinds of things, sure would make it more fun
when the wife wants to do those things.
My wife and daughter saw it in London also, it was a small (100 people) hall!
I love that musical
Probably Brian and myself are the only two people in the world that enjoy Les Miz!
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87vette81big
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I think I seen the Movie on DVD Recent Dorien. I liked it.
Rick your An Ex Racer. I knew the need for speed & to win would come back.
Sucks to loose & get your doors blown off by todays Street Race cars don't it ?
Grumpy there are lots of 6-8 second Drag cars street driven today.
Some are even pee water pump gas.
I never mentioned once changing Ricks engine combo.
Driveline & suspension changes I did.
Once you ride in a 1400 HP Race car on the street, you never forget .
I haven't Grumpy.
700 HP be OK.
Not enough today to win many.
700-800 HP Available on many new cars for the Rich $$$.
Rick your An Ex Racer. I knew the need for speed & to win would come back.
Sucks to loose & get your doors blown off by todays Street Race cars don't it ?
Grumpy there are lots of 6-8 second Drag cars street driven today.
Some are even pee water pump gas.
I never mentioned once changing Ricks engine combo.
Driveline & suspension changes I did.
Once you ride in a 1400 HP Race car on the street, you never forget .
I haven't Grumpy.
700 HP be OK.
Not enough today to win many.
700-800 HP Available on many new cars for the Rich $$$.
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87vette81big
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No Miracles will happen with just Torque & HP Alone.
Must have an entire driveline after the Engine that can take the abuse & Hold up.
5,000-10,000 full power passes Ideal.
1-2 passes and Trans blows up, driveshaft twists in 2, & Rear IRS Blows up & solid axle rear fails Bad.
Traction & Hooking up also very important .
Nearly 99% of drag races Won in the 1st 60-100 feet.
To catch up not good enough. Still other guy crossed the finish line 1st.
Must have an entire driveline after the Engine that can take the abuse & Hold up.
5,000-10,000 full power passes Ideal.
1-2 passes and Trans blows up, driveshaft twists in 2, & Rear IRS Blows up & solid axle rear fails Bad.
Traction & Hooking up also very important .
Nearly 99% of drag races Won in the 1st 60-100 feet.
To catch up not good enough. Still other guy crossed the finish line 1st.
grumpyvette said:RICK, youve barely started to tap the cars current potential, don,t forget what your trying to build and go off the deep end!
But it's been soooo long since I've been to the deep end, I'm starting to miss it !!!
(now if you really want a part time rocket a 150hp nitrous plate kits an option)
Sure ..... that sounds like a good idea. Hit the 150 HP button, then do a Danny Sullivan's spin & win, only with a TBucket on a drag strip!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tuBeLL0wg
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87vette81big
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I dont know about Nitrous hit yets Rick.
I still recall the Custom fabbed radius rods on the T Made in early 1980's.
Need to Maximize what the 400-401 sbc has.
Your not going to do the Hotrod Power Tour Nationwide.
Setup for Strip & Street . Overdrive 200R4 makes it possible.
I am going to do it by having multiple Gears in several 9.3 3rd members.
Old school way.
I still recall the Custom fabbed radius rods on the T Made in early 1980's.
Need to Maximize what the 400-401 sbc has.
Your not going to do the Hotrod Power Tour Nationwide.
Setup for Strip & Street . Overdrive 200R4 makes it possible.
I am going to do it by having multiple Gears in several 9.3 3rd members.
Old school way.
Russel Crowe in the movie was ugh!!!!!
The TT is a high low 11s - high 10s and grumpy is right. I love that car. It's dependable. I call on it when I need it and go anywhere… AND It has awesome street manners. As long as you stay off the gas it behaves like a rather sluggish car. But you start tickling the loud pedal… WOW!!!!
I drove a couple of girls home yesterday (after watching Belgium vs South Korea) They knew it was a car… supposed to be fast… The were shocked :shock: :shock: when a did a few relatively mild pulls. They had NO I-DEA how brutal this car can be :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: And when you are highway cruising in 4th with a locked clutch - 2000 RPM 65-70MPH…
Wow -
Enjoy your car chief - work them bugs and details out.
The TT is a high low 11s - high 10s and grumpy is right. I love that car. It's dependable. I call on it when I need it and go anywhere… AND It has awesome street manners. As long as you stay off the gas it behaves like a rather sluggish car. But you start tickling the loud pedal… WOW!!!!
I drove a couple of girls home yesterday (after watching Belgium vs South Korea) They knew it was a car… supposed to be fast… The were shocked
:shock: :shock: when a did a few relatively mild pulls. They had NO I-DEA how brutal this car can be :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: And when you are highway cruising in 4th with a locked clutch - 2000 RPM 65-70MPH…Wow -
Enjoy your car chief - work them bugs and details out.