"The 14 Car" Performance therapy project

Finished up the floor pan and moved on to the cowl and firewall area. Had a small rust spot on the drivers side of the cowl so I made a patch piece for it. Since it's not visible once the fender is on it just has to be functional. Once the sides were in primer I moved on to stripping the firewall and cowl after removing all the wiring, windshield wiper system, steering column and pretty much everything under the dash. Will be smoothing the firewall a bit.

I'm eliminating the heat/AC under dash parts to save some weight. I'd removed the under hood part of the AC system and switched to heater functions only when I lived in New England but being in FL now there's no need for heat either so out it all goes!

I'm sooo tempted to leave the bottom in white, ya know, because race car!











 
I always liked Gloss Black on the underside chassis myself.
What I painted my 70 TA Chassis back in 1996.
Black POR-15. Then top coated with PPG DP90 Flat Black Primer. Then final Top ciated in PPG DAU 9300.
Still looks great all these years later.
I wire wheeled justt as you did.
Did it on the ground off of Jackstands. 1 month of nonstop work at night.

MOPAR Musclear Undercarriages looked the most Photogenic factory with Same body colored undercarriages.
My bud Mopar Bobs 70 Charger is Plum Crazy Purple .
Looks Awesome. Rare Color factory today.
 
Old PPG Paint was Lead Based. Definate tough paint.
Urethane epoxy based.
 
When I purchased the car it still had the factory red oxide primer in pretty good condition. I painted it semi-gloss black over the primer about 10-15 years ago with cheap paint just to make it look clean & freshen it up. This time it's getting the full stripping, epoxy primer & body color acrylic enamel. It's too bad no one will ever see it unless it's on a lift due to the ground effects & belly pan I have planned.

In the pic below you can see the old cheap black paint and original red oxide primer where the fuel tank was.

 
Its the only way to preserve an early 2nd Gen F Body in changing climate temps & often high humidity.
Red oxide primer is correct but has very little corrosion resistance.
Wide temp swings here in IL from -25F to 110 F.
Sudden warmups after a deep freeze does most damage.
Condensation. Dripping wet humidity.
Every Unibody Datumn hole draws it it internal.
 
Some people will "tint" the epoxy primer so its the factory color/no paint.
Also, look like your using the compretition engineering subframe connector?. did you had fitment problem where it mate/slide into the front frame?
I was totally dissapointed with mines.
 
The red oxide under the car was better than inside due to the same condensation problems in CT as IL. The car sat in a backyard from somewhere in the late 70's till around 90 when I bought it. Had 42,000 miles when I got it. The epoxy primer & enamel will last longer than I probably will at this point. I've tinted primers in the past for various reasons. I'm using the white because I had a couple quarts left from another project and I want the GM Bright Red to "pop".

I believe the frame connectors came from a company called NMW back in the early 90's. If I had a bigger budget I'd spring for better subframe connectors from PTFB, Hotchkis, DSE, or one of the other currently popular companies. I had the NMW's bolted in and I've been debating whether to weld them this time or bolt in and save up for some higher quality connectors later. I'd stick with one of the brands that don't require channeling the floor even though they're better. It's a huge project taking the interior out and it'd have to come out if I got the type that require channeling the floor and welding the floor to the connectors.

Had a little time this evening to figure out what I'm doing with the firewall. I'm eliminating the heat/Ac stuff and want to close up the firewall to reduce the possibility of fire getting through as much as possible. So I'm adding some sheet metal and smoothing the firewall at the same time. I'll cut the sheet metal and get it welded up and smoothed the next couple days.



 
Looking good by the way.

I have Competition Engineering Bolt in Frame Connectors on my 70 TA.
I had no hassles.
Recall it was an eady job to intsall back in 1994.
70-74 F body connectors. Fit nice.

I would consider putting a Few Tack welds 3/4" -1" long on front portion of frame connectors.
3/16" Weld beads.
Can always grind off clean later to remove connectors.
Because your endurance Road Racing so much.

I never welded mine in either. But I never track road raced as You.
 
2nd gen F bodies are known for poor cowl drainage. They suffer more if the car sits out in the weather for extended periods without moving like mine did. Puddles form on the top of the cowl by the ends and GM made a nice place for a little pond to form inside the cowl right above the brake pedal. About 10 years ago I fixed the inside pond part and on the top I had cleaned what I could get to (with the fenders still on the car)and used rust converter followed by some bondo to fill pits and semi gloss black paint. Since the car doesn't get wet it's been fine but this time I can do a better repair since the fenders are off.

Although both ends on top of the cowl had pitting and some rust through the drivers side was worse due to the cowl tag holding water under it so I'm showing the repair on that side but I did make a similar panel for the pass side. Since they rust from the top down due to the puddling we're seeing the worst of it. Replacing the entire top of the cowl can be done however in this case I didn't feel it was justified. The center of the top of the cowl is in great condition and this is more of a track car that is street driven so strength and fire protection are my goals on the cowl/firewall area. I could cut and weld new metal in the ends but I felt this would be stronger and easier.

The top of the cowl had already been wire wheeled and the center section primed to prevent rust. The raised area around the fender mount was thin so I cut it out around the fender mount then wire wheeled the area to clean metal.



Made a pattern out of paper, transferred to sheet metal and started bending, hammer/dolly, etc. into shape. Made the raised area for the fender mount with a big impact socket and a die handle with a BFH. It's humid here in So FL so everything rusts as you can tell by the sheet metal. Not to worry though it gets cleaned up well on both sides before final install.







Once the panel is shaped the edges are finished and it gets cleaned. Then it gets marked where the soft areas are in the original panel and screwed into place staying out of the soft areas. Then the screws are removed.



Next a thin layer of panel bond is spread on the area where the panel will go. Bonding the panel onto the existing panel is much stronger than replacing the original metal with a single layer regardless of whether it was bonded or welded in place. The panel bond over such a wide area is stronger than mig or spot welding without the warping problems. For those who avoid panel bond because they don't want to buy the expensive double barrel caulk gun you can push the 2 parts out evenly (without a mixing tip on) with a piece of pipe if you remove the back of the label so you can evenly move the plungers so you have equal parts. Then mix like bondo and spread where you need it with a plastic bondo spreader.





Once the panel is in place install the fender mount bolt with wide washer on it and screw the panel on, then do a finger smear around the edges with the panel bond that squishes out which will seal it so no water can get under. Make sure the drain hole is open and that the panel bond will keep water from getting between the panels there also. Because the fender mount is high there's no need to have that bolt hole sheet metal sealed (and you do not want a washer bonded there!)unless you're gonna throw the car outside for 10-20 years.



Once the panel bond has set remove screws and fill the little screw holes with panel bond. A piece of tape underneath will keep it from dropping through till it sets. After the panel bond is fully cured (24 hours) sand the panel bond and apply a little plastic filler then sand. With the repaired area done prep the whole area surrounding the repair and prime. Before priming I used a large drift and a BFH to make some spot weld looking dimples along the cowl lip so it'd resemble the original part in the center.





 
I call that repair technique Fish plating.
Its the nicest Fish plating I have seen ever.

I like to plug weld .
Panel Bond adhedive works nice too.
 
87vette81big said:
I call that repair technique Fish plating.
Its the nicest Fish plating I have seen ever.

I like to plug weld .
Panel Bond adhedive works nice too.

Some places on this car I've plug welded, like the core support and others like this I panel bond. On some things I use panel bond and weld like new cars. I spot welded the firewall panel on last night and am working on smoothing it in. It's in a dark shadow in the pic above but it's already welded and bonded on the edges in the last pic. I'll have some good pics up of that as soon as I get it in primer.
 
87vette81big said:
I call that repair technique Fish plating.
Its the nicest Fish plating I have seen ever.

When I worked construction as a teenager we used to "Fish plate" horizontal supporting timbers with steel plate occasionally. I never understood why it's called a fish plate.
 
NOT A TA said:
87vette81big said:
I call that repair technique Fish plating.
Its the nicest Fish plating I have seen ever.

When I worked construction as a teenager we used to "Fish plate" horizontal supporting timbers with steel plate occasionally. I never understood why it's called a fish plate.
I don't know where the term fishplate comes from either.
There are alot of iron workers & Boiler makers around here.
Learned the phrase from them.
The travel all over doing bridge repairs & builds.
Work in the Nuke power plants & weld on the steam pipes.

If you can find a way to eliminate the Front subframe Seesaw Effect it would be a good move mod to do.
Front fenders on 2nd Gen Birds & Camaros actualy an outside skeletal frame.
Ties in with cowl of course.
Best known way is to cut holes through the dashpad,firewall & Tie weld into the front subframe.
I never had the Balls to do that to my 70 TA.
Its a 10-second & faster drag car standard procedure.
High front bar placement gives best structural support integrity.
Cut holes in the Beautifull 2nd Gen Dashpad.
 
Road Racers have all the Kool Chassis toys.
It adds up quick $$$$ &$ skimming at your 2Nd Gen F -body Road Race Parts.
Grumpy Loves Home Built Parts & Innovation crafted together into a Functional part.
I do Too.
 
I make a lot of stuff. Like the panels in this post. Instead of buying pre made 2nd gen F body panels I just made them. I like light fab & machine work. I don't have equipment for heavy fabrication but if I did ???!

With no heat/AC anymore I want to close up the firewall openings to slow a fire should one ever occur in the engine compartment. So I made up a couple panels for the large openings, spot welded them in place, sealed edges with panel bond, and smoothed the larger area. Also made a small panel to cover some extra holes I'd made previously for wiring, gauge senders etc. .







 
great pictures
Its amazing what a welder, some skill and experience, mixed with a bit of bondo and paint can do to make repairs or modifications look far better once your finished than during the process.
I know Ive done enough minor body work, and seen the look of abject horror on the car owners face when you start cutting and welding replacement panels, and the look of amazed relief when your done and theres no easily seen trace of the repair work, unless you know what to look for on inner panels
 
We just need to See Acetylene Gas Hammer Welding Grumpy.
Leaves no Seems on backside of panels.
Done right no Bondo required.

Never seen a Shop Spot welder Like he has shown.
Nice Weld Rig Unit.
 
The spot welder works nice for pieces like this because it eliminates all the grinding time on MIG welds and then needing to clean the nooks and crannies of the welds to prepare for filler. The down side is warpage that requires a little thicker skim coat of filler than you'd need if you took your time and skipped around the panel MIG welding and plug welding.

The spot welder has several different types of tips that can be used and can make 2 spots welds at the same time with the tips shown in the pic. Or be used with a wide tip on one side to have the smaller tip make a single weld like I used it here. Note the burnt looking circles the grounding tip made in the pic above.

The welder can also be used to weld a washer (on edge) to sheet metal in a dent for pulling with a slide hammer and to weld corrugated wire into creases in sheet metal for pulling.
 
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