Building a S̶t̶r̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶3̶5̶0̶ 383 for Frank the Tank…

If you can, get a roller cam.
I got a flat tappet cam and with all the article that say newer oil is bad or synthetic is bad for flat tappet.
Wish i got a roller cam and just throw some synthetic in there(once break-in is done) and be done with it.
Roller cam will have a little extra power(steeper cam lobe ramp).
 
For a little bit more, you would have the option of Brodix IK series or the Dart SHP
series in either a 180cc or 200cc intake port. The SHP is a 72 cc chamber and IK is
70 cc chamber, another option that would allow you to fine tune the compression
ratio. Lift could be as high as .575 or .620, good enough for street hydraulic roller
camshafts.

E-Street $ 980 ................................. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-5073
Dart SHP $1178 ..... + $198 ............... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/drt-127422/overview/
Brodix IK $1259..... + $279 .............. http://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=brodix ik 70cc 2.020 0.575
 
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If you can, get a roller cam.
I got a flat tappet cam and with all the article that say newer oil is bad or synthetic is bad for flat tappet.
Wish i got a roller cam and just throw some synthetic in there(once break-in is done) and be done with it.
Roller cam will have a little extra power(steeper cam lobe ramp).

yeah... I'm considering it.. It may just mean a pushing back of the time lines and more saving of $$$$, I'd really like to have the new engine done for some of summer.. but, it may be the back end of summer.. or next summer.. :)
 
If you go with a roller camshaft, then the eStreet head may not work. Using your link above the notes say .......

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/chevy/e-street-sb.shtml

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Yes.. true.. good spotting.. :)

For a little bit more, you would have the option of Brodix IK series or the Dart SHP
series in either a 180cc or 200cc intake port. The SHP is a 72 cc chamber and IK is
70 cc chamber, another option that would allow you to fine tune the compression
ratio. Lift could be as high as .575 or .620, good enough for street hydraulic roller
camshafts.

E-Street $ 980 ................................. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-5073
Dart SHP $1178 ..... + $198 ............... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/drt-127422/overview/
Brodix IK $1259..... + $279 .............. http://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=brodix ik 70cc 2.020 0.575

You're right, there are better options at a not much more $$ Rick..

I wonder if Australian based engine builders may have limited access to some brands at decent prices.. Jeff seemed to think that Brodix were going to a lot more money..

What are your thoughts on the SCAT rotating assembly I'm looking at? Is that the right choice?
 
Between the Shiping costs to Australia from the USA And modern state of art parts Jimmy, your not going to get this project done.
Have over $8,000 into it 400-450 Hp.
It will very likely be less once installed .
No Big Tube Race Headers used.

Big Block Chevy 454, Pontiac 455, & Olds 425-455 Cost 1/2 as much.
Deliver more torque and Hp.
Not theoretical.
Actually installed in the car.
Sometimes Factory Hi Flow Pontiac Ram Air Exhaust manifolds & Olds Starfire & W-30 442 Ex manifolds have been used and car is into Deep 12's on 3-series gears.
I other words...Draw the Fine Line.
Don't dream too Big.
Either you have all the cash up front to buy.
Or at least 1/2 to begin with.
Life gets in the way.
Lose that $$$$ because you must pay the daily living Bills.
 
There are lots of option there, do you have a particular part number you are thinking about???

A good cast crank should be reliable to about 5500 rpm. Hyperutectic piston are strong, but
are not as good as forged when there is detonation. So if you are pushing the CR limits, they
seem like a good choice. But don't get bad gas or have the ignition timing too far advanced
and be loading the motor too much, like climbing a long hill in Colorado. Detonation can
destroy a set of piston pretty quickly, especially Hyper's. With the typical hot rod exhaust system,
you wont' be able to hear the detonation like you can on the family car.

So you see, there is no ONE Right Answer for any situation...... hence the fun of building your
own engine!

Don't give up completely on the E Street heads, if you camshaft is under .525 lift then call the
manufacture and see what they have to say. Most roller valve springs are dual, the E Street don't
say, although they have a big enough OD to be dual valve springs.

Why not wait until next spring and do it "without a doubt" right. It will be a good lesson for
the kids to see you wait to get what you really want. Even if you have all the parts in 3 weeks and
you are ready to start PRE-assembly and checking everything like, bearing clearance, valve to
piston clearance, degreeing the camshaft, coil bind, pushing rod length, deck clearance, polishing
chambers .... etc etc etc. you won't be done this year by November. It took me OVER three years to
build a engine and transmission to my liking. That after NOT driving the TBucket for 15 years.

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/component-check-build-sequence-tracking.4894/

Just read your Edit ..... why would the E Street's be any different for shipping costs? Any head
manufactures in Australia???

Sorry I didn't give you some black & white answers, don't worry thou, you will get there!!!


Few minutes later!!!

 
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When I was on Corvette Forum years ago Rick and Grumpy, I had a friend Steve I talked to nightly that was in Perth Australia .
The High shipping costs are REAL FOR THEM FROM THE USA.
Steve was an Electrical Engineer.
Still it was hard to afford all he did to his 1987 C4 Vert.
Identical to my 87 C4 vert. But his was Black. Where mine is Red.
 
Between the Shiping costs to Australia from the USA And modern state of art parts Jimmy, your not going to get this project done.
Have over $8,000 into it 400-450 Hp.
It will very likely be less once installed .
No Big Tube Race Headers used.

Big Block Chevy 454, Pontiac 455, & Olds 425-455 Cost 1/2 as much.
Deliver more torque and Hp.
Not theoretical.
Actually installed in the car.
Sometimes Factory Hi Flow Pontiac Ram Air Exhaust manifolds & Olds Starfire & W-30 442 Ex manifolds have been used and car is into Deep 12's on 3-series gears.
I other words...Draw the Fine Line.
Don't dream too Big.
Either you have all the cash up front to buy.
Or at least 1/2 to begin with.
Life gets in the way.
Lose that $$$$ because you must pay the daily living Bills.

I'm hearing you, for sure... I was a bit naive how much the shipping and taxes were going to blow the budget.... If I'm honest, I'm on the fence a little about where to head with the build.... I'm definitely into the idea of a 383 (or 385 in my case..), but, I might have to curb my target Hp...? I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy a newly built stroker regardless of the power output... If its reliable and feels and sounds strong, I'll be proud to drive it :) The family 1/4 mile record will have to wait a while... ha!

I've never seen a Pontiac or Olds motor for sale over here.. Doesn't mean they don't come up, but, they are definitely not a common engine.. and probably aren't cheap as a result.. I see a few BBC for sale, so maybe that can be in my future... :)
 
See what cylinder heads are around You Jimmy.
We have Ebay & Craigslist here in the USA.
Lots of Hot Rodders and Racers in Australia I know.
Used parts Ok if they check out Fine.
 
There are lots of option there, do you have a particular part number you are thinking about???

A good cast crank should be reliable to about 5500 rpm. Hyperutectic piston are strong, but
are not as good as forged when there is detonation. So if you are pushing the CR limits, they
seem like a good choice. But don't get bad gas or have the ignition timing too far advanced
and be loading the motor too much, like climbing a long hill in Colorado. Detonation can
destroy a set of piston pretty quickly, especially Hyper's. With the typical hot rod exhaust system,
you wont' be able to hear the detonation like you can on the family car.

So you see, there is no ONE Right Answer for any situation...... hence the fun of building your
own engine!

Don't give up completely on the E Street heads, if you camshaft is under .525 lift then call the
manufacture and see what they have to say. Most roller valve springs are dual, the E Street don't
say, although they have a big enough OD to be dual valve springs.

Why not wait until next spring and do it "without a doubt" right. It will be a good lesson for
the kids to see you wait to get what you really want. Even if you have all the parts in 3 weeks and
you are ready to start PRE-assembly and checking everything like, bearing clearance, valve to
piston clearance, degreeing the camshaft, coil bind, pushing rod length, deck clearance, polishing
chambers .... etc etc etc. you won't be done this year by November. It took me OVER three years to
build a engine and transmission to my liking. That after NOT driving the TBucket for 15 years.

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/component-check-build-sequence-tracking.4894/

Just read your Edit ..... why would the E Street's be any different for shipping costs? Any head
manufactures in Australia???

Sorry I didn't give you some black & white answers, don't worry thou, you will get there!!!


Few minutes later!!!


These were the specific SCAT kits I was looking at:

9000 cast crank, 6" rods, hyper pistons, int balance kit# 1-90450BI or
9000 cast crank, 6" rods, forged pistons, int balance kit# 1-90455BI

It sounds like the extra $60 or so for forged is worth the upgrade in potential durability? Do I have the correct kits for the 400 or so Hp I'm chasing?

My heart is in no way set on the EStreets, it looks like buying them here in Oz, they'll cost about $1500AUD (give or take a few $$) compared to $1800AUD for a set of Dart SHPs with shipping and taxes from Summit..

Yeah, in my edit, I was just wondering if certain brands have more presence here in Oz and so importers can sell them at better comparable prices here..

I'm OK with a longer time line if it makes the difference between a build I'm proud to drive and a disappointing finished product.. :) This being my first build, its the journey and the experience I'm looking for too.. So, I also don't mind too much if I don't have the engine that I can retire with this time around... I'll work on that one, when I don't have two cute ratbag kids and an ex-wife to support... ha! :rolleyes:

I have a running car in the mean time, so I can still enjoy cruising about anyhow :)

I love the videos.. "Oh well..... Take one..." :D
 
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/tbucket-engine-project-dart-shp.3814/

theres a great deal of closely related info and advise in the thread and sub links above, well worth the time and effort to read thru.

I know, it's a mammoth thread! I am at about page 40 something... I need to go back and take some notes... great read. I find I need to read these things twice, once for fun, then once with the intention of noting down the important learning points.. :D
 
Hyperpuentic pistons are fine.
Observe Grumpys 4,000 feet per minute piston speed rule.
Pontiac V8 guys have used Hypers too 600-700 HP. Keith Black Hyperuentic brand pistons.
10-9 second 1/4 mile times.
Every single modern LS Non superchaged 1997-2015 Corvette used or uses Hyper pistons stock from the Factory.
Your not Building a Top Fuel Car.
You don't have the Money $ to.
 
When I was on Corvette Forum years ago Rick and Grumpy, I had a friend Steve I talked to nightly that was in Perth Australia .
The High shipping costs are REAL FOR THEM FROM THE USA.
Steve was an Electrical Engineer.
Still it was hard to afford all he did to his 1987 C4 Vert.
Identical to my 87 C4 vert. But his was Black. Where mine is Red.

Yep, true true..

Like I said... If I save real hard between now an September though, I can probably save a fair few $$$ by getting my lovely lady to put a set of heads under her arm and some other parts in her bag on the flight home, or at very least ship them as a gift to beat taxes.... :D
 
See what cylinder heads are around You Jimmy.
We have Ebay & Craigslist here in the USA.
Lots of Hot Rodders and Racers in Australia I know.
Used parts Ok if they check out Fine.

Yeah, good call. I keep an eye on ebay and there are a few FB pages dedicated to selling used car parts, I'll start hunting harder.. :) I think my lack of knowledge makes it hard to know what to even look for in the first place... maybe just ebay searches for all the main brands on a regular basis will unearth some :)
 
Hyperpuentic pistons are fine.
Observe Grumpys 4,000 feet per minute piston speed rule.
Pontiac V8 guys have used Hypers too 600-700 HP. Keith Black Hyperuentic brand pistons.
10-9 second 1/4 mile times.
Every single modern LS Non superchaged 1997-2015 Corvette used or uses Hyper pistons stock from the Factory.
Your not Building a Top Fuel Car.
You don't have the Money $ to.

So something similar to the Flatlander Racing SCAT kit - 9000 series cast crank, 6" I-beam rods, hyper pistons, int balance kit# 1-90450BI will be suited to my needs you think?
 
So something similar to the Flatlander Racing SCAT kit - 9000 series cast crank, 6" I-beam rods, hyper pistons, int balance kit# 1-90450BI will be suited to my needs you think?
Yes Jimmy.
I prefer Kieth Black Hyperuentic pistons.
Since this a Heavy Street car I would use the 5.7 " Rods. Kieth Black Hypers the Best made.
HP Edge over any Forged piston other than Premium Diamond Brand Race Pistons.
Thermal efficiency of engine is improved on the street with Kieth Black Hypers.
They fit tighter into cylinder bores.
Less oil consumption .
Will last 200,000 + Miles with good engine vare maintenance .
 
Yes Jimmy.
I prefer Kieth Black Hyperuentic pistons.
Since this a Heavy Street car I would use the 5.7 " Rods. Kieth Black Hypers the Best made.
HP Edge over any Forged piston other than Premium Diamond Brand Race Pistons.
Thermal efficiency of engine is improved on the street with Kieth Black Hypers.
They fit tighter into cylinder bores.
Less oil consumption .
Will last 200,000 + Miles with good engine vare maintenance .

Great, thanks for the info :) Looks like I have to go external balanced to get 5.7" rods...? Is that going to cause me any issues. Its about $70-80 cheaper..
 
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